ceptimus said:
You could be right
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You could be right
JamesM said:
Sorry, I disagree. I was specifically requested not to ask Lucicanarchy for his gender (although he could ask for my evidence of his gender...). Nobody said that I couldn't mention the Catch-22.
As Darat noted, Lucianarchy could mention it, and others too. They were not warned.
If warnings are not clear, then they can be abused. But then, this warning was very clear, but was abused anyway...
JamesM said:
I'm aware of that and admit to being at least slightly sardonic when I made that comment. But I have read quite few threads over there (not just the Claus one) and I don’t think it is a friendly board, unless you are of a certain mindset. Which I know can be said about here as well. But two wrongs don’t make a right.
And as someone else pointed out at least here banning is only done to prevent damage. Remember the Big Liar has never been banned despite insulting Linda rather nastily for no reason, despite then editing the very post that it insulted Linda in and then lying by saying it had never insulted her!
But it is their board and of course they can do what they like with it but I do wonder how long it will take them to learn that the Big Liar has no hesitation to lie and attempt to deceive whenever it thinks it can get away with it?
It's possible for the rules to be different in other forums and for them not to be necessarily inferior. For example, you can swear at the FTMB.El Greco said:
No one there is banned for being a skeptic. What you can be banned for is speculating about the identity of another poster. I'm pretty sure it would be frowned upon here, too. Claus got a bit of raw deal, but let's face it, he wasn't going to get the benefit of the doubt and that's down to the attitude he projected. I've got a lot of time for Claus, so I say that as an observation, not as a criticism.
Forteanism is a very broad church, it runs the gamut from believing to skepticism. But what happened here was a defensive reaction. If you come on too strongly skeptical, they will push back the other way. The same would have happened if if Claus had been a creationist or conspiracy theorist, but in the opposite direction.
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Well, that's an improvementJamesM said:
Not the identity. The sex. That happens her all the time. No one has ever been banned for it.JamesM said:
Ah, a nice middle-of-the-road board that throws out all the extremes, even if they have interesting things to say. Well I don't need my boards kept "friendly". I'll take JREF, thank you.JamesM said:
JamesM said:
Can't resist this one James
Any evidence that this would happen? Has it happened in the past and can you point to the thread?
Also (serious question this time) has there been other cases of a banning like Claus's? I.e. one poster is told they will be banned if they talk about a subject again but the complainer can continue to talk about it and not even get a warning?
Don't feel the need to swear here, myself. It was merely an example.Tricky said:
Well, that's an improvement
I know. I'm not trying to defend the rule. Gender is part of someone's identity, a necessary if not sufficient, component. Personally, I can see how some people might be uncomfortable about such things. I recall several discussions here about whether people should make their genders known. and lots of people didn't want to. But the point here is that there's a rule about it, and it's applied to everyone, believer or skeptic. It's not used to stifle dissent. It should be perfectly possible to be a skeptic on the FTMB and not be banned.
How do you conclude that? I said it was broad. I'm not talking about administrative actions, I'm talking about how the members will act if you behave aggressively. I'm not defending their actions towards Claus, but I am not terribly suprised. We see the reverse happen here all too often, so I don't think it's surprising it happens elsewhere. I've not asked you to post on the FTMB or to abandoned the JREF board, I am merely pointing out that it is not a haven for addle-pated creduloids where skeptics will be run out of town.
Have to say there have been some reasonable posters over there over the last couple of hours (excepting the Big Liar, who I can see has already started to lie to them.).
I've even posted this:
"And despite my less then charitable comments on the JREF about this place perhaps we could just try to be good cyber-neighbours? You know nod “good morning” to each other but not be too judgmental of what we each do behind our own front-doors?"
They do not claim to have the same intent as this board and do not claim to have the same set of rules so it is bit silly I suppose for both sets of regulars to try to pick each other apart because we are “different” .
(But I still think their mod was inconsistent in the treatment of Claus and the Big Liar - so there
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(Edited a hasty placed started.)
I've even posted this:
"And despite my less then charitable comments on the JREF about this place perhaps we could just try to be good cyber-neighbours? You know nod “good morning” to each other but not be too judgmental of what we each do behind our own front-doors?"
They do not claim to have the same intent as this board and do not claim to have the same set of rules so it is bit silly I suppose for both sets of regulars to try to pick each other apart because we are “different” .
(But I still think their mod was inconsistent in the treatment of Claus and the Big Liar - so there
)(Edited a hasty placed started.)
I can't provide anything that would be convincing in terms of specific threads. I make that assessment based on my time there, having noticed eminently sensible and rational discussions from many of the posters, that I feel no skeptic would complain about. Strange phenomena is not, in general, accepted at face value. But it is enjoyed in a way that I think skeptics would find strange, which I think leads to misperceptions on both sides.Darat said:
But if you think I've overstated the case, I will certainly withdraw that statement. I don't want to seem like a cheerleader for the FTMB. I spend much more time here than I do reading threads there, so I must be more skeptic than Fortean.
I don't know. I've never seen it, I try and stay out of this sort of thing. The moderation is much heavier than here, but relatively even-handed. FWIW, I also think Luci merited a warning, but from the POV of a FTMB regular, I think things would look rather different.
thaiboxerken
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You should know by now that showing contradictions in a beleiver's position on a believer board will get you banned, Claus. Simply put, you defeated their arguments so you were censored away. Cults do the same thing, they censor out any idea that may threaten the belief system. But I'm just a "Scientific Rationalist", which means I have too much logic and reason behind my opinions.......so they must be wrong.
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With believers like that, it doesn't matter where they go or what they accomplish as long as they all have warm-fuzzy feelings. Reason, logic and evidence really are not valued at all.. it's all about emotion.
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So, was anyhting claimed for the 14th?
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Ersby said:
Actually, I wonder what name he is probably posting there under now. He has had more socks online than could ever fit in his drawer.
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