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The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 30

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whoanellie said:
From TJMK:
" Father John was killed in a still-unsolved hit-and-run at night in Croydon four months before."

Didn't the authorities ultimately rule that John Kercher died from an accidental fall?
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Yes, from a fall, no hit and run. Typical TJMK.

I've asked a friend who lives in England take a look and see if there were any reports there of Arline's death.
 
whoanellie said:
I cannot believe that the British tabloids wouldn't have been all over the story if it is true.
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Exactly. I suspect this is going to be another classic "Raffaele Sollecito to apologize publicly to Mignini for lying in his book" moment for Quennell.
 
On this particular matter (and having just visited the cesspit to see what was written about it there), it seems possible to me that this information may have arrived via either first-hand or second-hand knowledge of Meredith Kercher's grave site. Raper's report states that Arline Kercher is buried alongside Meredith; IMO it's possible (even maybe likely) that either he or someone he knows visited the grave and noticed that Arline was now buried alongside Meredith.

I also don't think that Arline Kercher's death would necessarily have found its way into the British tabloids. Firstly, John Kercher was always the parental figurehead of the two, and (obviously) he was also the conduit into the British tabloid press: once he died, I'd say it was always by definition much less likely that any news about Arline would ever even be known to the British tabloids. And secondly, the main - perhaps the only - reason why John Kercher's death ever got any press traction was due to the combination of a) his friends/contacts within the tabloids and b) the very poor decision of the investigating police to publicly announce that his death may have been the result of foul play.


That aside, I completely agree with Tom in respect of the disgusting (but predictably disgusting) way in which those nutter zealots over there chose to weaponise the reports of Arline's death. Particularly disgusting in my eyes was the claim that "Although Arline didn’t see justice for Meredith’s killers, I’m certain that she, like us, knew exactly who was responsible for Meredith’s murder"


Oh and I don't think it would be remiss also to alude here to the *different* ways in which those pro-guilt nutjobs always chose to categorise, and impute motive to, the marriage breakups and divorces of Meredith's parents and Amanda's parents, respectively.......
 
LondonJohn said:
On this particular matter (and having just visited the cesspit to see what was written about it there), it seems possible to me that this information may have arrived via either first-hand or second-hand knowledge of Meredith Kercher's grave site. Raper's report states that Arline Kercher is buried alongside Meredith; IMO it's possible (even maybe likely) that either he or someone he knows visited the grave and noticed that Arline was now buried alongside Meredith.

I also don't think that Arline Kercher's death would necessarily have found its way into the British tabloids. Firstly, John Kercher was always the parental figurehead of the two, and (obviously) he was also the conduit into the British tabloid press: once he died, I'd say it was always by definition much less likely that any news about Arline would ever even be known to the British tabloids. And secondly, the main - perhaps the only - reason why John Kercher's death ever got any press traction was due to the combination of a) his friends/contacts within the tabloids and b) the very poor decision of the investigating police to publicly announce that his death may have been the result of foul play.


That aside, I completely agree with Tom in respect of the disgusting (but predictably disgusting) way in which those nutter zealots over there chose to weaponise the reports of Arline's death. Particularly disgusting in my eyes was the claim that "Although Arline didn’t see justice for Meredith’s killers, I’m certain that she, like us, knew exactly who was responsible for Meredith’s murder"


Oh and I don't think it would be remiss also to alude here to the *different* ways in which those pro-guilt nutjobs always chose to categorise, and impute motive to, the marriage breakups and divorces of Meredith's parents and Amanda's parents, respectively.......
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Thanks for your perspective
 
My friend in England is going to call Croyden Cemetery later (it's 12:30 AM there now) and ask if Arline is buried there and let me know. That should settle it.
 
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Stacyhs said:
My friend in England is going to call Croyden Cemetery later (it's 12:30 AM there now) and ask if Arline is buried there and let me know. That should settle it.
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Well the person on True Vengeance For Amanda Knox (Raper, I think?) said very specifically that Arline was buried next to Meredith. Even by the crackpot cesspool standards of that site, I'd consider it highly improbable that anyone would flat-out lie about a detail like that (and, as I said before, I wouldn't be surprised if this was the very thing which served as notification that Arline had died: someone went to visit Meredith's grave, and discovered her mother's new grave beside it).

Also, I'm not altogether sure whether cemetery maintenance staff would be in the business of imparting that sort of information (or indeed whether they are even supposed to). I'm in UK too (obv), but I'd have thought that the only real way of knowing with any reliability would be to visit the cemetery in person.

Dunno - maybe one of the crackpots will make the visit (though as I said, it seems likely to me that either Raper, or someone he knows, has already visited and seen Arline's grave). For me personally, although it's clearly very saddening that Arline has apparently died - she had to live through one of her daughters getting brutally and horrifically murdered, and then had to endure a cruel, protracted judicial battle on account of certain incompetent and mendacious police/prosecutors/judges and the broken Italian justice system - it obviously doesn't change the way I look at the case one bit.
 
Deaths are public information. Cemeteries aren't private. Find a Grave gives out that kind of information all the time. It's what they do. Meredith is listed as buried there by Find a Grave, Arline is not. But that could be because, if buried in June, she just hasn't been listed yet. I just find it extremely odd that not a single mention of her passing would be mentioned by the media anywhere in England or here. Or by anyone on Twitter.
 
Stacyhs said:
Deaths are public information. Cemeteries aren't private. Find a Grave gives out that kind of information all the time. It's what they do. Meredith is listed as buried there by Find a Grave, Arline is not. But that could be because, if buried in June, she just hasn't been listed yet. I just find it extremely odd that not a single mention of her passing would be mentioned by the media anywhere in England or here. Or by anyone on Twitter.
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I don't know if it is common for families in the UK to have obituaries published, as it is in the US. I attempted an online search for such an obituary and also, for a report of a funeral, but found only media reports related to John Kercher's death and Meredith Kercher's murder. However, even if no obituary for Arline Kercher exists, that doesn't necessarily mean that the TJMK report of her death is false.

Stacyhs, have you heard any information from your friend in the UK?

It would seem strange indeed to publish a false post of someone's death.
 
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Numbers said:
I don't know if it is common for families in the UK to have obituaries published, as it is in the US. I attempted an online search for such an obituary and also, for a report of a funeral, but found only media reports related to John Kercher's death and Meredith Kercher's murder. However, even if no obituary for Arline Kercher exists, that doesn't necessarily mean that the TJMK report of her death is false.

Stacyhs, have you heard any information from your friend in the UK?

It would seem strange indeed to publish a false post of someone's death.
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It's only 6:40 AM right now in England. Give her time.

It would be strange to publish a false post of someone's death, but it would also be strange for there to be absolutely no mention of Meredith's mother's death anywhere, especially in England. No twitter mentions, no FB mentions, no tabloid mentions, nothing at all anywhere. I'll report back as soon as I hear from my friend.
 
Stacyhs said:
Deaths are public information.
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Yes and aren't actual death certificates public information? I guess that's why I too found it odd that there was no mention at all in the British press, particularly the red tops, since I figured they pay people to constantly trawl public records.
 
Yes, but the only people who care about this are her family and friends, and a few nutters - including, apparently, some of the inhabitants of this thread. It's not news whether it happened or not, and I can't understand why anyone here is that interested.
 
My friend was able to talk to someone at Croydon Cemetery. They confirmed that Arline Kercher is not buried there.
 
Matthew Best said:
Yes, but the only people who care about this are her family and friends, and a few nutters - including, apparently, some of the inhabitants of this thread. It's not news whether it happened or not, and I can't understand why anyone here is that interested.
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Of course, Arline Kercher is important to her family and friends.

And a post claiming that Arline Kercher has died is not relevant to the Knox - Sollecito legal case or to the crimes against Meredith Kercher.

I think the interest is whether or not a PGP poster on a PGP site known for its copious false information posted true information in claiming someone - Meredith Kercher's mother - had died.
 
Matthew Best said:
Yes, but the only people who care about this are her family and friends, and a few nutters - including, apparently, some of the inhabitants of this thread. It's not news whether it happened or not, and I can't understand why anyone here is that interested.
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Ongoing fascination with the obsession exhibited over at the cesspool I suppose.

I'm sure everyone here would be sympathetic to the Kercher family, if true, but not "interested", per se. But you have to admit, the crap that gets published over there is so bizarre that it's hard to ignore once you hear about it.
 
Matthew Best said:
Yes, but the only people who care about this are her family and friends, and a few nutters - including, apparently, some of the inhabitants of this thread. It's not news whether it happened or not, and I can't understand why anyone here is that interested.
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Stacyhs said:
My friend was able to talk to someone at Croydon Cemetery. They confirmed that Arline Kercher is not buried there.
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Numbers said:
Of course, Arline Kercher is important to her family and friends.

And a post claiming that Arline Kercher has died is not relevant to the Knox - Sollecito legal case or to the crimes against Meredith Kercher.

I think the interest is whether or not a PGP poster on a PGP site known for its copious false information posted true information in claiming someone - Meredith Kercher's mother - had died.
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So does it seem safe to assume the post claiming Arline Kercher had died is another falsehood?
 
Numbers is correct. The interest lies in the fact the TJMK once again posted false information and now they've got a piece up eulogizing Arline giving her bio.
 
Numbers said:
So does it seem safe to assume the post claiming Arline Kercher had died is another falsehood?
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If the person at Croydon Cemetery is to be believed...and I see no reason not to. It certainly explains why there was absolutely nothing to be found mentioning it.

What will be interesting now will be to see how long that Front Page piece will be left up. Will Raper's comment be left or removed?

Another friend of mine told me she had seen this same misinformation being discussed in another group she belongs to and the source was James Raper's comment on TJMK.
 
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