The Theory of Relativity will begin to fall apart in 2016/2017

[halleyscomet]

NASA scientists detect Dark Flow across the universe!
www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2008/dark_flow.html

 

[Bjarne]

Why would you need expensive atomic clocks if you are synchonizing the read outs?

Hans

Because it is then straight forward to calculate signal time to position

 

[Bjarne]

You learned to lie about science in the kindergarten, Bjarne ?
15 September 2016 Bjarne: A lie of "2. Synchronize the clock" for GPS satellites.
GPS clocks are adjusted for SR and GR before launch.

Then 2 SOPS contacts each GPS satellite regularly with a navigational update using dedicated or shared (AFSCN) ground antennas (GPS dedicated ground antennas are located at Kwajalein, Ascension Island, Diego Garcia, and Cape Canaveral). These updates synchronize the atomic clocks on board the satellites to within a few nanoseconds of each other, and adjust the ephemeris of each satellite's internal orbital model. "
https://www.quora.com/Do-GPS-satell...so-how-is-that-done-considering-time-dilation

 

[Bjarne]

You mean the link I have you weeks ago and that you still cannot understand, Bjarne?
This is the real world of the ACES experiment on General Relativity:
Launch in August 2017.
6 months of calibration (early 2018).
18-36 months of operation = at least early 2019 before data is available to be analyzed.
Scientists write a paper and get it published means that the earliest we can expect the results is late 2019.

..

The expected anomaly is so significant, I think it will be discovered long time before 2019, notice the Galileo Satellites are already in action so fare I understand. The expected Galileo anomalies will be smaller, but still easy to discover.

 

[halleyscomet]

Then 2 SOPS contacts each GPS satellite regularly with a navigational update using dedicated or shared (AFSCN) ground antennas (GPS dedicated ground antennas are located at Kwajalein, Ascension Island, Diego Garcia, and Cape Canaveral). These updates synchronize the atomic clocks on board the satellites to within a few nanoseconds of each other, and adjust the ephemeris of each satellite's internal orbital model. "
https://www.quora.com/Do-GPS-satell...so-how-is-that-done-considering-time-dilation

You left out this part:

Time dilation is already allowed for in the construction of the clocks: they're built to run slightly slow on the ground so they run at the desired rate at altitude. The updates are just to fix random drift.

It's still a good start. Now, look up how BIG those corrections are. For your theory to hold water, satellites in a polar orbit need to have a 2 to 3 microsecond drift not accounted for in the calculations for relativity and not observed in satellites with an equatorial orbit. Given the nanosecond accuracy needed for these clocks, a 2 to 4 microsecond drift would stick out like a sore thumb painted with phosphorescent paint with a lit sparkler taped to it.

Because it is then straight forward to calculate signal time to position

Not if they're off by 2 to 4 microseconds in polar orbits as your theory requires. The variance would be too large for them to be useful, even WITH constant correction.

 

[halleyscomet]

The expected anomaly is so significant, I think it will be discovered long time before 2019, notice the Galileo Satellites are already in action so fare I understand. The expected Galileo anomalies will be smaller, but still easy to discover.

A 2 to 4 nanosecond variance for satellites in a polar orbit not detected in satellites with an equatorial orbit would have been noticed by the 1970's, possibly earlier.

But hey you keep chasing that whale. It entertains us.

 

[abaddon]

Because it is then straight forward to calculate signal time to position

No, it isn't. That level of precision is not the easiest thing to do.

Do you really have so little clue of the real world?

Are you really so incognisent of the actual scientific and engineering effort involved?

Do you really believe that your smart phone sprang from the womb, freeborn and fully formed?

It is often said that we stand upon the shoulders of giants. You want to slay the giants.

And please do not cite the biblical baloney of David vs. Goliath. It's a fairy tale.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Because it is then straight forward to calculate signal time to position

That was not the question. IF you need to adjust all the time, why pay a small fortune for an atomic clock?

Hans

 

[Reality Check]

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https://www.quora.com/Do-GPS-satell...so-how-is-that-done-considering-time-dilation

You quote mined (lied about) that forum post, Bjarne:
Do GPS satellite clocks need to be synchronized every so often with a reference clock on earth? If so, how is that done considering time dilation?

"Then 2 SOPS contacts each GPS satellite regularly with a navigational update using dedicated or shared (AFSCN) ground antennas (GPS dedicated ground antennas are located at Kwajalein, Ascension Island, Diego Garcia, and Cape Canaveral). These updates synchronize the atomic clocks on board the satellites to within a few nanoseconds of each other, and adjust the ephemeris of each satellite's internal orbital model. "

Time dilation is already allowed for in the construction of the clocks: they're built to run slightly slow on the ground so they run at the desired rate at altitude. The updates are just to fix random drift.

That supports 19 September 2016 Bjarne: Repeated ignorance that GPS clocks are adjusted for SR and GR before launch.

The clock times (not SR or GR effects) of GPS satellites are synchronized to agree with each other because the clock times are subject to random drift.

 

[Reality Check]

Bjarne: A delusion that a "so significant" anomaly would not have already been detect

The expected anomaly is so significant,....

20 September 2016 Bjarne: A repeated delusion that a "so significant" anomaly would not have already been detected by the GPS system not working !
The point was your abysmal ignorance of the experiments you cited. Anyone could learn about ACES and see that the earliest we can expect the results is late 2019. Anyone can learn about the many orbits of existing GPS satellites which include polar orbits that your dark flow delusion applies to.

 

[The Man]

Well, I thought that Bjarne's propensity toward Cognitive Dissonance beggared belief, but what do you call it when a poster posts links to material they purport to contain evidence supporting their view, and it turns to be evidence that refutes their view? Other than Stupid of course!

Yep, the enemy of your enemy can also be even less of a friend. If some people would put half as much energy into just working on their own notions instead of trying to dispute relativity they might get somewhere. However, there does have to be a new level of Dunning–Kruger effect for one with such disdain for curved space-time yet uses a formula derived from a curved space-time metric as his starting point.

The 7th level of Dunning–Kruger...

"Abandon all intellect ye who enter here"

 

[Bjarne]

A 2 to 4 nanosecond variance for satellites in a polar orbit not detected in satellites with an equatorial orbit would have been noticed by the 1970's, possibly earlier.

But hey you keep chasing that whale. It entertains us.

Do you know the planet is not round?

 

[halleyscomet]

Do you know the planet is not round?

Yes Bjarne, I know the planet is not round.

I'm going from the data you've posted and the claims you've made. Your mythology is a crap theory, so of COURSE the predictions made from it sound stupid.

I can see now why you lack the courage to test your mythology against real-world data. The predictions your dark flow theory makes are absurd. The discrepancies needed by your mythology are too great to have gone unnoticed. Not even the constant clock synchronizations you claim happen would be enough to avoid satellites in a polar orbit from being lost entirely.

I find it funny that when presented with a prediction you have made yourself about your own mythology, you look at it and think the idea is worth mocking. Even you, deep down, recognize your mythology is wrong.

Yep, the enemy of your enemy can also be even less of a friend. If some people would put half as much energy into just working on their own notions instead of trying to dispute relativity they might get somewhere. However, there does have to be a new level of Dunning–Kruger effect for one with such disdain for curved space-time yet uses a formula derived from a curved space-time metric as his starting point.

The 7th level of Dunning–Kruger...

"Abandon all intellect ye who enter here"

Ain't it the truth. I use some of the scant data he's provided and even HE recognizes it's a crap idea.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Do you know the planet is not round?

Bjarne, how far from round do you think the planet is?

Hans

 

[MRC_Hans]

By the way, I can recomnend reading Bjarne's website. Lots of entertainment there, if you have the stomach. Note for instance the links to several non-existing language versions.

While we wait for the ISS results, we could ask Bjarne for some evidence for his many claims.

Hans

 

[Bjarne]

Edit below

 

[The Man]

Best possible test / evidence for the new understanding of the cause of Perihelion Anomalies, already exist,

• the flyby anomalies
  

Best possible test / evidence for the new the new understanding of SR, are;

• primary, - that time dilation not is as expected – when moving north. Galileo5,6 and ISS, - when prove that..
• secondary, - these test are also evidence that that dark flow is real, - which mean serveral observations supports each other

,
Best possible test / evidence proving that Relativistic Resistance against is true are

• space probes leaving the solar system, as the Pioneer Anomalies already demonstrate,
• the formation of solar systems
• the collapse of galaxies, - and therefore the cause of quasars
• hot Jupiter’s that always is dragged towards dragged towards their mother starts (when the orbit inclination is more or less aligned with DFA)
• Sedna’s strange impossible orbit
• And a lot more

Best possible evidence for Dark Flow Acceleration (DFA) are

• Allais effect.
• the speed of galaxies is also caused / driven by that acceleration,
• In the future better test can be done by letting space probes moves straight north with large speed, these will both decelerate, and even orbits will collapse.

Right now the question is rather how blind is it really possible to be ?

Nope, again the best possible test for you is the detection of muons from cosmic rays. The difference for your 'dark flow' direction should be glaringly obvious. Again with your reversal in dilation it should even be less than the classical expectation, the muons will decay faster than if they were at rest.

 

[Bjarne]

By the way, I can recomnend reading Bjarne's website. Lots of entertainment there, if you have the stomach. Note for instance the links to several non-existing language versions.

While we wait for the ISS results, we could ask Bjarne for some evidence for his many claims.

Hans

Best possible test / evidence for the new understanding of the cause of Perihelion Anomalies, already exist,

• the flyby anomalies
  

Best possible test / evidence for the new the new understanding of SR, are;

• primary, - that time dilation not is as expected – when moving north. Galileo5,6 and ISS, - will prove that..
• secondary, - these test are also evidence that that dark flow is real, - which mean serveral observations supports each other

,
Best possible test / evidence proving that Relativistic Resistance (RR) against motion is true are

• space probes leaving the solar system will decelerate, as the Pioneer Anomalies already demonstrate,
• matter cannot reach "C" - SOMETHING must prevent that to happen, - that "something" is RR,

Best possible evidence for Dark Flow Acceleration (DFA) are

• Allais effect.
• the speed of stars in galaxies is also caused / driven by that acceleration,
• the formation of solar systems
• Sedna’s strange impossible orbit
• the collapse of galaxies, - and therefore the cause of quasars
• hot Jupiter’s that always is dragged towards dragged towards their mother starts (when the orbit inclination is more or less aligned with DFA)
• In the future better test can be done by letting space probes moves straight north with large speed, these will both decelerate, and even orbits will collapse.

Right now the question is rather how blind is it really possible to be ?

 

[Bjarne]

Nope, again the best possible test for you is the detection of muons from cosmic rays. The difference for your 'dark flow' direction should be glaringly obvious. Again with your reversal in dilation it should even be less than the classical expectation, the muons will decay faster than if they were at rest.

First tell us what is the difference between matter and muons

• How is matter and space connected?
• How is muons and space connected?

If you don’t know, don’t make such comparison
And if you think you is correct, - then measure muon hitting moving straight north

 

[The Man]

First tell us what is the difference between matter and muons

Muons are matter they have the same charge as electrons but more rest mass (they are leptons). They are unstable and decay in about 2.2 microseconds in a rest frame.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/muon.html

• How is matter and space connected?
• How is muons and space connected?

By a spatial location in a coordinate system.

If you don’t know, don’t make such comparison
And if you think you is correct, - then measure muon hitting moving straight north

I do know as stated and once again it is incumbent on no one but you to work on your notions. Put in some time, look for research on muon detection at or near the south pole, they would be moving north. Far past time for you to actually get to work.