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The Theory of Relativity will begin to fall apart in 2016/2017

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MRC_Hans said:
No, it wouldn't work. In that way you can only find out where the satellite was, for GPS to work, you need to know where it IS, right now in this nanosecond. There isn't even time for a radar signal to go out and return, much less for a correction to be transmitted.
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I guess the exact position is also regular measured, - not calculated
Measured data is used again and again comrade.

Furthermore Yuky and Vera spedn11 years at Harvard to learn to synchronize clocks, it’s not the girls job to ask many why, but just got the job done.. Who knows maybe Yuky and Vera never hear about Albert
 
MRC_Hans said:
There is not a huge difference, motion and speed are two sides of the same coin.
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But the point is that it seems that you don't want to understand that speed is not the same for all observers, - what you measure to 300.000 km/s Peter could measure to 600.000 km/s
 
MRC_Hans said:
No. It is being calculated and it works according to GR/SR. Sorry.

Your absolute motion frame is a fantasy.

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So the ISS and Galileo 5 & 6 test mission is to spend som hundred million USD to understand whether a the last digit on the minus 12 scale have to be 5 or 6 ?

No no my friend, I think many have begun to understand that something smells.
It's allright to suggest measurements, but very shamefacedly to say load that something could be wrong with GR / SR..

You will soon see the more begin you mess into that theory the more it stinks
 
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Bjarne said:
I guess the exact position is also regular measured, - not calculated

Measured data is used again and again comrade.



Furthermore Yuky and Vera spedn11 years at Harvard to learn to synchronize clocks, it’s not the girls job to ask many why, but just got the job done.. Who knows maybe Yuky and Vera never hear about Albert
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Dude, you're in a rut again. Someone who has actually worked in the industry has chimed in on how you're wrong.

Your pack of lies and guesses about how GPS systems are administered is getting BOOOORING. Nobody is here for your scientific observations, because you have none. We're here to be amused, and if you don't mix things up with some fresh woo-woo more people will leave the thread.
 
Bjarne said:
So the ISS and Galileo 5 & 6 test mission is to spend som hundred million USD to understand whether a the last digit on the minus 12 scale have to be 5 or 6 ?

No no my friend, I think many have begun to understand that something smells.
It's allright to suggest measurements, but very shamefacedly to say load that something could be wrong with GR / SR..

You will soon see the more begin you mess into that theory the more it stinks
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Uh, right. Sure. Whatever. Pull the other one, it has bells.

Yes. Sure. Right. Go on. We're listening. Ok. Interesting idea.

Right.

Ok.

/me yawns.

Whatever.
 
Bjarne said:
But the point is that it seems that you don't want to understand that speed is not the same for all observers, - what you measure to 300.000 km/s Peter could measure to 600.000 km/s
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Yep, and carrots are blue.

Hans
 
Bjarne said:
No no my friend, I think many have begun to understand that something smells.
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So instead of doing a survey of the GPS satellite correction data to test such a suspicion, they instead spend years and millions of dollars on a single test, when they ALREADY have millions of points of data?

I'm gobsmacked at how incompetent and inept you think scientists are in the real world. Even the ones who you claim agree with you you assume are morons who might as well have escaped from a Dystopian Idiocracy future.

Bjarne said:
It's allright to suggest measurements, but very shamefacedly to say load that something could be wrong with GR / SR..
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Again, you assume nobody in the scientific community ever acts in their own self-interest.

Simply crunching the numbers on the GPS correction data and showing a sizable anomaly would be enough to MAKE their careers. Things that are misunderstood, especially ones that could lead to real-world financial benefit, like a more efficient GPS system that needs to waste fewer resources on corrections, is as close to winning the lottery a scientist can get.

Bjarne said:
You will soon see the more begin you mess into that theory the more it stinks
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Your conviction that these future tests will magically vindicate you reminds me of this fellow:

 
Bjarne said:
One thing is a desired orbit, - something else is what you end up to get..
For example take a look of Galileo 5 and 6.

It’s not a secret that there are many navigation errors.
Some of these is caused by that we not all the time know what we are up against.

If you will set a polar satellite into orbit, you can easy calculate that something is wrong, a polar satellite can easy (theoretical) appear to be more elliptical as you wanted it to be, - but only *if* you is tested the orbit based on theoretical data.

If you only trust the theoretical data and try to correct that “error” – the real orbit will be worse, - until you have burned all your fuel, and only making the theoretical problem to a real problem.

I wonder if the GPS team already have few such experiences before.. And whether these are between unknown anomalies. But this is fare from sure..

I don't thinks so because as I said, - if anything critical happens it will all be boiled down to daily routine, the staff will use the measured data, its much faster and based on experience properly also the safest to deal with. Only an old-fashioned nerd will begin to calculate and solve a problem like for 100 years ago
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As far as I can tell, you simply made up a GPS conops that was convenient for you and announced that it's how GPS is really operated. And then you stuck with it, even after you were repeatedly told and shown otherwise. I could make more progress explaining GPS to my girlfriend's dog Lily, and at least Lily would have the integrity to look puzzled by things she didn't understand.

Rather than get myself in trouble with the MA, I'm going to take a break from this thread.
 
Bjarne said:
I learned it all in the kindergarten.

1. Measure the orbit, and plug in these data
2. Synchronize the clock

Really nothing serious more to worry about, now the GPS works (for a while) until it is necessary to synchronize the clock again and measure the orbit again..
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So here is an exercise that should be simple - calculate how often the measurement of the orbit and synchronization would have to occur to maintain GPS accuracies.
 
slyjoe said:
So here is an exercise that should be simple - calculate how often the measurement of the orbit and synchronization would have to occur to maintain GPS accuracies.
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It depend on the weather most of all..... space weather
 
Bjarne said:
It depend on the weather most of all..... space weather
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Excuses, excuses, excuses.

You make more excuses than a President Donald Trump would make two years into his administration.

You make more excuses than Maynard G. Krebs when asked to do an honest day's work.

Care to give us a preview of your excuses for when ISS and Galileo 5 & 6 turn up bupkis to support your claims?
 
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