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Cont: The Sinking of MS Estonia: Case Re-opened Part IV

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No. The point is that Sweden was not averse to doing it. It was a note at the back, so intrigued, I looked it up for myself.

Then where did you get the idea that it was a case of enforced disappearance?

Where did you "look it up"?

You clearly didn't arrive at that conclusion based on the merits, as you cannot articulate a cogent case for how one might have come to that conclusion. I retain my suspicion that you cribbed it from Bollyn.
 
I certainly have not denigrated any recipient award for bravery.

Really?
OK OK I guess for a Swede falling from a winch and having to treadwater until someone rescued him, would command the highest medal for bravery.






[NB that was a joke before anybody gets upset.]

How is it a problem?

Are you seriously claiming Svensson got the equivalent of the Victoria Cross for falling into the water?
 

Then, contrary to your insinuation, he's not your authority for the claim that the expulsion of the two Egyptians constitutes enforced disappearance. Therefore it remains a defensible conclusion that you got that idea from Bollyn.

The point is that Sweden was not averse to doing it.

To doing what? Under pressure from an angry and embattled United States government, and pursuant to false representations from the Egyptian government, Sweden short-circuits its asylum process and deports two Egyptians, one of whom later wins a judgment against Sweden for -- not enforced disappearance -- but exposing him to torture as the result of failed due process. While unacceptable, that's not as nefarious a tale as you seem to want everyone to believe.

You're still trying to argue from an assumption that one action is equivalent to another more serious action. You're still trying to argue that it's a pattern of behavior that somehow makes your claim more palatable that Sweden "disappeared" the MS Estonia officers.

It was a note at the back, so intrigued, I looked it up for myself.

I doubt your story. Where exactly did you "look it up?" We're looking for the source of your legal theory that the expulsion of Ahmed Agiza and Muhammad al-Zery constituted enforced disappearance as defined in the 1998 Rome Statute, and that -- according to your claim -- a human-rights court upheld that theory. You've conceded that Drew Wilson is not the source of that theory. So far it's just you and Bollyn, and he was there first. Therefore the most parsimonious conclusion is that you got it from him, and -- as is your established pattern -- you're trying to deny the identity and reputation of your sources.
 
I certainly have not denigrated any recipient award for bravery. As I say, I am sure Svensson did something exceptional for his award.
Liar.

You've repeatedly denigrated Svensson for his medal.

1. You've repeatedly insisted that he only rescued 1 person and refused to acknowledge that he actually rescued 7 people.

2. You've repeatedly made snide and belittling comments about him getting a medal for falling into the water, or treading water, or because his winch broke, and have refused to acknowledge that the medal was for far more than that.

3. You've accused him of accepting his medal on false premises, that he actually got it to keep his mouth shut about disappearing the Estonia's officers, not for any bravery or commendable actions.

It's shameful and you think you can get away with repeatedly denigrating him by just saying "I'm not denigrating him!".
 
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