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The Electric Revolution

The new MG IM6 is out, and its going to hurt Tesla sales lol- as usual for MG cars, its 5 star rating, with most scores being in the 90% range...with a up to 670km range, 15-20 minute recharging on a 800v Hyper charger and 3.4sec 0-100 for the fastest Performance model...

Starts at $60k up to $90k its going to eat the Teslas new Model Y market share, pretty much the same size as the Y or the BYD Atto, its cheaper than the Y ($65k- $94k), has more range (550km), faster recharging (25min), is faster accelerating 0-100 (4.8 sec) and best of all, its not a nazicar lol.....
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From EVs and Beyond (NZ Youtuber) he has a 16 min long breakdown of it- and its pretty impressive.....
 
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How about a more general approach to EV transport, not just cars, for the UK at least – yes, it’s one of my great ideas that fall apart at the lightest touch.

The idea:
  • The usual EVs (cars) for personal transport.
  • Electrically powered mass transport – trains, buses, trams.
  • Electric vans/small trucks for local cargo deliveries.
  • Electric big-trucks for quick long distance (UK scale) cargo moving.
  • The interesting one – clean up the canals, possibly widen/deepen them, and use them for cargo deliveries that don’t need to be done quickly.

Problems:
  • Social/commercial inertia.
  • Need for ‘local’ warehousing and partial(?) abandonment of Just-in-Time provisioning. Possibly a major problem.
  • The cost. The other major problem.
  • Need to develop electric barges/narrow-boats.
  • Would annoy the Canal & River Trust.

I think the basic idea is fairly sound, but would probably be opposed by too many vested interests…

Oh well, a chap can dream, can’t he?
 
SteveAitch said:
How about a more general approach to EV transport, not just cars, for the UK at least – yes, it’s one of my great ideas that fall apart at the lightest touch.

The idea:
  • The usual EVs (cars) for personal transport.
  • Electrically powered mass transport – trains, buses, trams.
  • Electric vans/small trucks for local cargo deliveries.
  • Electric big-trucks for quick long distance (UK scale) cargo moving.
  • The interesting one – clean up the canals, possibly widen/deepen them, and use them for cargo deliveries that don’t need to be done quickly.

Problems:
  • Social/commercial inertia.
  • Need for ‘local’ warehousing and partial(?) abandonment of Just-in-Time provisioning. Possibly a major problem.
  • The cost. The other major problem.
  • Need to develop electric barges/narrow-boats.
  • Would annoy the Canal & River Trust.

I think the basic idea is fairly sound, but would probably be opposed by too many vested interests…

Oh well, a chap can dream, can’t he?
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EV vans, trucks and buses are all mainstream these days (and have been for quite some time really)- in Australia they are already in widespread use (hell, our local courier company just bough a BYD T3 van for doing local deliveries in) and the buses in Sydney are about 50-50 now for EVs (with the first hitting the roads in 2016, over 900 EV buses hitting the road since 2023, and looking to replace almost all the government fleet of 1700 by 2028....

EV trucks are also fairly commonplace sights on the roads (both government )
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And private companies...
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Even electric boats aren't that uncommon, with even large ferries being used in Europe and even constructed here in Australia...
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www.abc.net.au

Tasmanian-built world's largest electric ferry launches

Named after a famous Uruguayan actor, the brand new new ship by Tasmanian shipbuilder Incat is said to be the largest fully electric vessel ever built.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
Made in Tasmania lol
 
Dabop said:
EV vans, trucks and buses are all mainstream these days (and have been for quite some time really)- in Australia they are already in widespread use (hell, our local courier company just bough a BYD T3 van for doing local deliveries in) and the buses in Sydney are about 50-50 now for EVs (with the first hitting the roads in 2016, over 900 EV buses hitting the road since 2023, and looking to replace almost all the government fleet of 1700 by 2028....

EV trucks are also fairly commonplace sights on the roads (both government )
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And private companies...
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Even electric boats aren't that uncommon, with even large ferries being used in Europe and even constructed here in Australia...
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www.abc.net.au

Tasmanian-built world's largest electric ferry launches

Named after a famous Uruguayan actor, the brand new new ship by Tasmanian shipbuilder Incat is said to be the largest fully electric vessel ever built.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
Made in Tasmania lol
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We see electric delivery vans around here. Most are Amazon delivery vans. And they are more ubiquitous in urban areas.
 
acbytesla said:
We see electric delivery vans around here. Most are Amazon delivery vans. And they are more ubiquitous in urban areas.
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No such thing as 'Amazon vans' around here- Amazon deliveries are done by local courier companies (not that Amazon is a big thing here, locals seem to prefer buying directly from Aliexpress instead- thats where 99% of Amazon reselllers buy their stuff from anyway, and you can usually get it a lot cheaper than from Amazon....)

Oh sure EV's are more common in urban areas- hell ALL vehicles are more common in urban areas lol- but even in quite rural locations like mine, EV's are taking off in a big way....

In a town of 1500 people, with an hours drive to the next town in rural Australia, its not what many think of as 'EV country'- yet we are already at 7 EVs in town, and more coming, and not a single new ICE vehicle has been bought in the last two years- all EVs.....

And I've seen one of the Aussie Post EV Volvo's coming in a few times now.... not a small van (or even that small a truck) its legal for up to 16 tonnes GVM!!!! (thats 35000lbs for the yanks)- I was surprised to see it out my way, I didn't think they'd send it out on the country runs yet...
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SteveAitch said:
How about a more general approach to EV transport, not just cars, for the UK at least – yes, it’s one of my great ideas that fall apart at the lightest touch.

The idea:
  • The usual EVs (cars) for personal transport.
  • Electrically powered mass transport – trains, buses, trams.
  • Electric vans/small trucks for local cargo deliveries.
  • Electric big-trucks for quick long distance (UK scale) cargo moving.
  • The interesting one – clean up the canals, possibly widen/deepen them, and use them for cargo deliveries that don’t need to be done quickly.

Problems:
  • Social/commercial inertia.
  • Need for ‘local’ warehousing and partial(?) abandonment of Just-in-Time provisioning. Possibly a major problem.
  • The cost. The other major problem.
  • Need to develop electric barges/narrow-boats.
  • Would annoy the Canal & River Trust.

I think the basic idea is fairly sound, but would probably be opposed by too many vested interests…

Oh well, a chap can dream, can’t he?
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Europe is building canals
www.euronews.com

Europe’s answer to the Suez Canal breaks ground after 20-year delay

New route will turbo-charge trade between France, Belgium and the Netherlands.
www.euronews.com www.euronews.com
 
I've tried buying from Aliexpress and Temu here. Not good experiences. Aliexpress was slow and not practical. And Temu sent me crap. I buy stuff that isn't easy to find in the stores on Amazon. I just bought a diesel heater, accessories, some MC4 connectors,, some fuses, a bit of cabling, some Tex wood to metal screws, some unistrut accessories, 6ea hockey pucks that make great spacers and other miscellaneous items.. I combine a lot of stuff so the delivery is free.
 
I've got on fine buying some car accessories from Aliexpress. Very good service on car seat covers which look tremendous.

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No great issues with Aliexpress or Alibaba- sure if you go the free postage (surface shipping usually) it might take a couple of weeks, but airshipping isn't that expensive usually, and often arrives in only three or four days from China to rural Australia!!! (they are often quicker than internal mail just posted in Australia!!!!)

Temu and Amazon are both about the same level of 'craptacular' in my experience lol, and Aliexpress can be if you go the 'cheap and nasty' shop route, but its usually better quality than Amazon at the same price....

All those are similar to what I buy regularly on Alibaba (thats my preferred place for large quantity bulk purchases like MC4 connectors for solar installs etc)- thats the 'manufacturers' side of Aliexpress- the pricing is usually WAAY cheaper than Amazon but you often have to 'buy in bulk' (if you want a single unit, most will sell (or even give you sometimes) a single 'evaluation unit' however...

Aliexpress usually 'bundles' free shipping items (which can add to the delay slightly if you make several purchases- they often arrived with multiple orders from multiply stores all packaged in one larger 'box'/package containing several smaller bags from different stores....)
 
SteveAitch said:
How about a more general approach to EV transport, not just cars, for the UK at least – yes, it’s one of my great ideas that fall apart at the lightest touch.

The idea:
  • The usual EVs (cars) for personal transport.
  • Electrically powered mass transport – trains, buses, trams.
  • Electric vans/small trucks for local cargo deliveries.
  • Electric big-trucks for quick long distance (UK scale) cargo moving.
  • The interesting one – clean up the canals, possibly widen/deepen them, and use them for cargo deliveries that don’t need to be done quickly.

Problems:
  • Social/commercial inertia.
  • Need for ‘local’ warehousing and partial(?) abandonment of Just-in-Time provisioning. Possibly a major problem.
  • The cost. The other major problem.
  • Need to develop electric barges/narrow-boats.
  • Would annoy the Canal & River Trust.

I think the basic idea is fairly sound, but would probably be opposed by too many vested interests…

Oh well, a chap can dream, can’t he?
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I'm moderately surprised at this. Even in the US electric busses and Trains are relatively common for mass transit anyway. Not universal but common.

Most cargo trains are diesel electric, so converting to all electric shouldn't be hard, just a matter of batteries.
 
Dabop said:
No great issues with Aliexpress or Alibaba- sure if you go the free postage (surface shipping usually) it might take a couple of weeks, but airshipping isn't that expensive usually, and often arrives in only three or four days from China to rural Australia!!! (they are often quicker than internal mail just posted in Australia!!!!)

Temu and Amazon are both about the same level of 'craptacular' in my experience lol, and Aliexpress can be if you go the 'cheap and nasty' shop route, but its usually better quality than Amazon at the same price....

All those are similar to what I buy regularly on Alibaba (thats my preferred place for large quantity bulk purchases like MC4 connectors for solar installs etc)- thats the 'manufacturers' side of Aliexpress- the pricing is usually WAAY cheaper than Amazon but you often have to 'buy in bulk' (if you want a single unit, most will sell (or even give you sometimes) a single 'evaluation unit' however...

Aliexpress usually 'bundles' free shipping items (which can add to the delay slightly if you make several purchases- they often arrived with multiple orders from multiply stores all packaged in one larger 'box'/package containing several smaller bags from different stores....)
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Neither have the delivery and logistics infrastructure in the US to compete with Amazon.

You live in a different world there in the outback.

Amazon here is huge. There are monstrous warehouses up and down Interstate 5. I live about 5 miles from the Interstate, 20 miles from a town of 40,000 people and 70 miles to Portland, Oregon a metro area of about 2.6 million and 110 miles away from Seattle with its population of 4 million people. It is so easy to buy and get it overnight. I think Jeff Bezos is a turd. But they are super convenient to buy from here.
 
acbytesla said:
Neither have the delivery and logistics infrastructure in the US to compete with Amazon.

You live in a different world there in the outback.

Amazon here is huge. There are monstrous warehouses up and down Interstate 5. I live about 5 miles from the Interstate, 20 miles from a town of 40,000 people and 70 miles to Portland, Oregon a metro area of about 2.6 million and 110 miles away from Seattle with its population of 4 million people. It is so easy to buy and get it overnight. I think Jeff Bezos is a turd. But they are super convenient to buy from here.
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Thats mostly due to the US xenophobia lol- anything to do with China has zero chance in the USA....

Amazon in Australia is not anything special, and in fact is well behind when it comes to most peoples purchases (why spend more to get the same stuff as you can get faster and cheaper directly through Aliexpress???)

For example the cheapest I can get MC4 connectors through Amazon Au is about a buck each Australian including shipping and a 5 day delivery time to my driveway, the same connector through Alibaba is $0.17 each with free shipping for orders under $1kg in weight and only a day longer lol
 
Dabop said:
The new MG IM6 is out, and its going to hurt Tesla sales lol- as usual for MG cars, its 5 star rating, with most scores being in the 90% range...with a up to 670km range, 15-20 minute recharging on a 800v Hyper charger and 3.4sec 0-100 for the fastest Performance model...

Starts at $60k up to $90k its going to eat the Teslas new Model Y market share, pretty much the same size as the Y or the BYD Atto, its cheaper than the Y ($65k- $94k), has more range (550km), faster recharging (25min), is faster accelerating 0-100 (4.8 sec) and best of all, its not a nazicar lol.....

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NZ$66,990? Still way too much.

Better news is that the BYD Atto 1 (AKA Dolphin) will only be NZ$29,990 (~US$17,000). That's a price even I could afford - if I needed an EV with more than 60km range (current practical range of my 2011 Leaf).
 
Dabop said:
Thats mostly due to the US xenophobia lol- anything to do with China has zero chance in the USA....

Amazon in Australia is not anything special, and in fact is well behind when it comes to most peoples purchases (why spend more to get the same stuff as you can get faster and cheaper directly through Aliexpress???)

For example the cheapest I can get MC4 connectors through Amazon Au is about a buck each Australian including shipping and a 5 day delivery time to my driveway, the same connector through Alibaba is $0.17 each with free shipping for orders under $1kg in weight and only a day longer lol
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I can buy them in quantities of a 100 for about .30 cents each. Yes, it rises to about $1 each if I only need a few. But if I'm buying a 100 or more, I'll just stop at a local solar installer.
 
ahhell said:
I'm moderately surprised at this. Even in the US electric busses and Trains are relatively common for mass transit anyway. Not universal but common.

Most cargo trains are diesel electric, so converting to all electric shouldn't be hard, just a matter of batteries.
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The faster route would be overhead wires as used in Europe. Current models could be retrofitted when they need rebuild and continue working.

Even with current best option battery formats that would be one huge battery to get range that rivals the diesel-electric used now.
 
I decided to give Aliexpress another look. It's been a while. Yes, the price on MC4 connectors is much cheaper So are lots of miscellaneous items. But on most major items I need, there seems to be little price difference.
 
acbytesla said:
I decided to give Aliexpress another look. It's been a while. Yes, the price on MC4 connectors is much cheaper So are lots of miscellaneous items. But on most major items I need, there seems to be little price difference.
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As always, its worth looking around, but I have found for most of my 'consumables' it is usually well ahead going to my Alibaba account, Aliexpress is sometimes a bit more convenient, but Alibaba is where I find I make the major savings on most things.... (Aliexpress is like Ebay and Amazon- full of 'resellers' who usually at least double their prices- although it's 'not' quite as full as either Ebay or Amazon of outright scammers.... (Ebay in particular, I have to be bloody desperate indeed before I even bother looking there... Temu just stay well away from, Amazon is a little bit better than Ebay (not by much imho)
 
Location counts. Being just south of China gets those cargo planes and container ships to destinations much faster.

Halfway around from China we got a lot of cargo turned away from the US for a while and our MercadoLibre version of dropshippers is slow. Temu is a lottery with really bad odds.

My two attempts at using got me a RCA smart TV as described perfectly and two attempts at a Bluetooth keyboard got me a remote control with a keyboard on the back that isn't what I ordered, twice. The keyboard part does connect but the remote doesn't recognize any TV here. Shipping got me hard there. I got a 4G USB wireless somehow.
That could be useful on my TV. But I wanted it for my phone via Bluetooth.
 
Dabop said:
As always, its worth looking around, but I have found for most of my '
consumables' it is usually well ahead going to my Alibaba account, Aliexpress is sometimes a bit more convenient, but Alibaba is where I find I make the major savings on most things.... (Aliexpress is like Ebay and Amazon- full of 'resellers' who usually at least double their prices- although it's 'not' quite as full as either Ebay or Amazon of outright scammers.... (Ebay in particular, I have to be bloody desperate indeed before I even bother looking there... Temu just stay well away from, Amazon is a little bit better than Ebay (not by much imho)
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Well I'm going to buy a few things from them and see how it goes. I am in need of few items that fit that description. MC4 connectors, Solar cable fuses, some various other fuses, Distribution box. Maybe battery cables. But I really hate their descriptions on a lot of what I'm looking for. For example, I need some 2/0 AWG cable. And cable sizes and whether it is copper or aluminum seems not to be clear. This is pretty expensive and I would love to save some money, but it has to be copper.
 
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