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Tarot cards, they are AMAZING!

7. What is the current situation/outlook as to health


I can't believe I didn't think of that one. I was racking my brains. I suppose if I gave my list to a cold reader, he or she could comfortably make a side prediction that I don't have any health issues and am quite healthy. :)

Even the questions you ask (and don't ask) provide clues to cold readers. Another reason why the link between user name and real name must remain anonymous.
 
What was that thing back up there ^ with the pictures in it? Is that part of the test?

Oops.

Nope, just my anecdotal story about my first time ever using tarot cards, which seemed quite appropriate after reading the beginning of this thread ... not realizing it had progressed into talk of testing in later pages.

Carry on ...
 
Oops.

Nope, just my anecdotal story about my first time ever using tarot cards, which seemed quite appropriate after reading the beginning of this thread ... not realizing it had progressed into talk of testing in later pages.

Carry on ...

I thought your story was interesting, and it demonstrated brilliantly what arthwollipot said in an earlier post. Your tarot cards were used to nudge you into making decisions that you needed to focus on. They don't have any inherent "powers", but using them allowed you to think about issues that were bothering you, and enabled you to get some resolution.

I used a Lover's I-Ching some years back (sort of as a joke) to think over a decision I needed to make about two men in my life. I found myself re-doing bad throws in order to come up with results I honestly didn't know I wanted. Afterward I wondered if I'd cheated in some way, but then came to my senses and realized I was using the coins to bring to the surface what I subconsciously wanted all along.
 
I believe that I can speak with a certain amount of experience on this subject, having been a Tarot/Rune reader for many years during my neopagan phase. I still have my cards and drag them out every now and again. They're anything but a game, in my opinion, but let me explain why before anyone jumps in.

First thing I will say here is: pay attention to athon. He's a really smart guy, and he's hit the nail right on the head from his first post in this thread.

Now.

The "power" of Tarot (such as it is) is the power of symbolism. I like to use a deck with detailed illustrations, such as the Rider-Waite, or my personal favourite Norse Tarot. Each card has a situation illustrated on it, and when you draw these out randomly, you make connections between them. That's what people do - they make patterns.

Each card has a carefully-constructed story associated with it - or rather, part of a story. You need very little assistance to link these independent story pieces together, and even less to relate it to something in your own life - especially if you approach the subject with an a priori assumption that it is going to relate to your life, which each and every querent does.

It has been my experience that the stories generated randomly by the Tarot have a tendency to illuminate, or clarify, someone's thinking on a subject. They're a assistant to decision making. Let me use an analogy.

When you flip a coin to make a decision, how many possible outcomes are there? Two? Wrong.

There are actually four possible outcomes to a coin-flip-assisted decision: a heads you like, a heads you don't like, a tails you like, and a tails you don't like. Flipping the coin helps you to decide what option you prefer by "forcing" you to take one or the other. How many times have you said "heads hamburger, tails salad", flipped heads and decided "you know what? I think I'll just have a salad," contrary to the result of the flip?

Tarot works the same way. By putting symbols in your way, you can identify options and make decisions that you otherwise would vacillate over, or be ambivalent about.

Tarot, like a coin flip, is a decision-making tool. Should I quit my job because I hate my boss? Nine swords suggests that you're overreacting to the situation. Five coins indicates possible financial difficulties. The Sun shows that there is a brighter future ahead. Okay, I won't quit my job.

Can the Tarot predict future events? It depends on what your definition of predict is. Certainly it can form part of a self-fulfilling prophecy. I didn't quit my job because of what the cards said, and now the boss I hate has retired. Did the cards predict that? It depends on your interpretation. Certainly the "brighter future" would not have happened if I had ignored the cards and quit my job, and then I wouldn't have thought twice about it. But the fact that humans are pattern-makers, and the well-known phenomenon of confirmation bias, means that I will attribute more meaning to the cards than is inherent in the images alone.

Fantastic post. Thank you for laying that out so concisely.
 
I have to give my wife's interpretation of the 8 of swords;given at a SCA event:



The lady has Kinky Tastes......
 
I have my ten volunteers, and have sent each of them a PM confirming their participation.

I don't see any reason why first names should be used at all. We can operate anonymously, surely?
 
"I once played poker with a set of Tarot cards. I got a full house and three people at the table dropped dead." - Steven Wright
 
Okay, I'd missed this:

Hang on. I'll need some sort of name or something to concentrate on when I do these readings. Remember I'm not making a claim to have any psychic powers here. I just want to test this process which seems to have been so successful with my friends and family. In the past I've done a few over the phone so I guess that's a bit like being online. In a normal reading I'd know their name, I was thinking that just their forum name was a bit of a stretch but the idea of not actually knowing anything at all doesn't make any sense.
First names will be provided. There is a greater than zero number of volunteers whose first name may be determinable, so I will eliminate any such names and replace them with other volunteers.

What about something like this:

1. What is the current situation in relation to love life / relationships?
2. What is the current situation in relation to education / career?
3. What is the current situation in relation to relationship with parents?
4. What is the current situation in relation to place of abode?
5. What is the current situation in relation to hobbies / interests?
6. What is the current situation in relation to family (i.e. married, children)?
I approve this list if it works for MrErisian.

Can everyone I've sent a PM to about the challenge, please reply with your first name. I will then pass those names to Mr Erisian.
 
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I'd be very impressed if MrErisian can use the cards to tell me how many times I will be asked or invited by other people to sing at the folk festival coming up in a couple of weeks.

This seems like a good example of a precise prediction that neither one of us has any great knowledge about.
However, you just supplied a detail of your life and a cold reader would take it and run with it.
 
I have first names for all but two of our participants.

Can we get confirmation that the list of questions as presented earlier is okay?
 
Eventho' I enjoy how this thread is progressing, I'll just throw my two cents in: I used to flip Tarot cards in a bar for drinks after hours. I also read palms, because one of the bar-tenders asked me if I could, and with enough drinks in me, I could "tap into the intuitive channel" and produce a copious amount of amazing information about the seekers I did readings for.
Since very little ever escapes my attention, and I retain a great deal of minutia, and I can be fairly fast on my feet when the situation calls for it, I was a fine seer. I was a con. But it was at a bar, it was always after-hours, and all I asked was a drink or two. Everyone always applauded my "gift", and noone ever got hurt.
But, I was a fake, fooling myself and all the gullable around me.
 
However, you just supplied a detail of your life and a cold reader would take it and run with it.

Yes, a practiced and intentional cold reader would. It's not a lot of information, though, and since I'm requesting a very precise forecast, and do not intend to further discuss anything in relation to the topic, it would be very remarkable if MrErisian could determine the number.

Perhaps he could send his prediction in a PM to Arthwollipot, and I'll post the actual number after the festival, so that I'm blinded in the test.

Just a side test, if MrErisian feels like it.
 
Eventho' I enjoy how this thread is progressing, I'll just throw my two cents in: I used to flip Tarot cards in a bar for drinks after hours. I also read palms, because one of the bar-tenders asked me if I could, and with enough drinks in me, I could "tap into the intuitive channel" and produce a copious amount of amazing information about the seekers I did readings for.
Since very little ever escapes my attention, and I retain a great deal of minutia, and I can be fairly fast on my feet when the situation calls for it, I was a fine seer. I was a con. But it was at a bar, it was always after-hours, and all I asked was a drink or two. Everyone always applauded my "gift", and noone ever got hurt.
But, I was a fake, fooling myself and all the gullable around me.


Much too hard on yourself.

You were an entertainer, working for payment in kind, and obviously fairly popular because of it.

I can't see anything wrong with that at all. I would have bought you a drink, even though I know it's all rubbish not at all scientific simply a decision-making tool.

Go you!
 
I had a few experiences with Tarot cards, the art work is nothing short of amazing in most cases, the reading you get are very general and can be applied to almost anything, in addition people have a tendency to strive toward achieving what the Tarot cards predict for them on a subconscious level.

Just for fun I had bought a pack of French Tarot cards that (aside from the 22 or so Major Arcana Cards and the fact that they where a bit larger) looked like a regular deck of cards written in French, I sorted them out so I had 52 playing cards and used to challenge people to a game of Rummy 500. Of all the hundreds of games I played I only lost one of them (the one where I was paying attention to the womans chest more so then the game)

What I think used to happen is after starting the game they would ask "what kind of cards are these" I would tell them they were French Tarot cards I sorted them out would you like to see the others? after being told of the fact that they were playing Rummy 500 with Tarot cards they would ponder the long history and reputation of the Tarot deck and it started to distract them from the game, after that happed I just cleaned up, although I never felt comfortable using Tarot cards in a card game that involved money the thought had crossed my mind and If I knew how to play poker I may have tried.

I like to think of my self as a skeptic with an open mind so just in case what they say about the Occult is true I did not wanna be a victim of it. Using Tarot cards and their reputation/history to distract people from the game and taking all their money in the process did not seem to Kosher to me.
Never hurts to be careful in some cases
 
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"I once played poker with a set of Tarot cards. I got a full house and three people at the table dropped dead." - Steven Wright

The irony is that the Tarot cards were originally meant as playing cards; I have played the original game they were meant for at SCA Events and a couple of Renassiance fairs.
 
So there's only going to be one reading given by Mr. Erisian?

Should someone else do a control reading? I mean, if the results are supposed to be "divine" or come from some "universal consciousness" or something, the results should be similar on a separate reading, right?

Maybe the control reading should not employ imagery, but strictly just the cards' definitions. I realize I may be adding more work than necessary (this experiment is destined to fail :D - I already know. I just drew The Tower card).
 
My understanding was that MrErisian was going to do a reading for each of the ten volunteers, addressing each of the questions proposed:

1. What is the current situation in relation to love life / relationships?
2. What is the current situation in relation to education / career?
3. What is the current situation in relation to relationship with parents?
4. What is the current situation in relation to place of abode?
5. What is the current situation in relation to hobbies / interests?
6. What is the current situation in relation to family (i.e. married, children)?
But it depends on what MrErisian says he is willing to do/capable of doing.
 
Major Arcana #0 the card without a number

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any body know where I can find the rest of this deck I have been looking for years
 

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