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Tarot cards, they are AMAZING!

I'd be very impressed if MrErisian can use the cards to tell me how many times I will be asked or invited by other people to sing at the folk festival coming up in a couple of weeks.

This seems like a good example of a precise prediction that neither one of us has any great knowledge about.

Anyway, I'll volunteer for the test, if there aren't already ten people.
 
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MrErisian,
Good luck on this test. People who show a sincere willingness to be tested, deservedly, get a lot of respect on the JREF forums. Whether you succeed or fail in these readings, you have my respect.

He got my respect with this one.

Your last post

Anyone with the courtesy of not making us read a whole dlorde post... :)
 
Tarot, like a coin flip, is a decision-making tool. Should I quit my job because I hate my boss? Nine swords suggests that you're overreacting to the situation. Five coins indicates possible financial difficulties. The Sun shows that there is a brighter future ahead. Okay, I won't quit my job.
Yes, it helps focus your thinking while still being completely random.
 
I must say I'm impressed with how this thread has developed, and I'm excited to see where it's going. Cheers and good luck to all participants!
 
In April of 2007 I was single, and dating.

This is always a tricky time, dealing with human hearts in a lawless grey zone, where no rules exist but those we hold ourselves to.

Well, that might be a bit dramatic, but you know what I mean.

I found myself in a situation I was increasingly uncomfortable with - seeing two women too regularly for it to be casual. While I wasn’t violating any rules, any promises, any stated expectations – I was nonetheless old enough to take some accountability for my responsibility to do no harm to those I lived alongside. And deep down, I knew that I wasn’t really doing anyone right.

So when Becky – one of the two women I was dating – told me that she had done a tarot reading in which I had come up as the 'reversed King of Cups,' I knew it was time to examine the situation and myself - because that was exactly who I'd been to her:

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Dishonest, double-dealing man; roguery, exaction, vice, scandal, pillage, considerable loss.

Always the skeptic, I found myself doubting that Becky had really even drawn that card for me … maybe she was just obliquely telling me that she knew what was going on? It was just too accurate … and I’d never had anything but scorn for tarot card readings and other forms of divination.

But it didn’t really matter, because regardless, it made me realize that I should be striving to date ethically, the same way I was increasingly striving to live in other areas of my life – if I was going to eat more humanely, I should also be living more in line with my spiritual inklings in all domains. To be a rogue and justify any damages done as “not my responsibility, I didn’t lie” had worked fine for me in the past, but it wasn’t going to fly with the transformed Self that I was busy creating.

Although I had long been the harshest of skeptics about the tarot, now, in the post-teapot swirl of synchronicity, the way I was starting to see reality had room for all kinds of interconnectedness between mind and matter, external and internal realities. I was sometimes even open to the idea that the universe itself was living, aware, and communicative. And in such a universe, tarot cards were a meaning-laden context into which synchronicity could very well flourish.

So later that evening, when I found myself feeling simultaneously utterly mystical and utterly upset about my dating situation, I decided I would try using tarot cards for the first time.

I took out the Waite-Rider deck that had somehow made its home in my sunroom and paced through my house, shuffling the cards and holding Becky in my mind, succeeding at this mental focusing in a way I am rarely able to do, aided by photos she’d taken, items we’d found together, memories of significant events.

After a couple minutes of this, I thought “WHAT AM I TO BECKY?” and laid three cards down face down, in a simple three card spread that Becky had taught me.

The first card would represent the Past answer to my question – “what WAS I to Becky?“

I flipped it over and it was quite accurate:

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Ace of Cups: Love, intimacy, deeper feelings ... beginning of great possibility in this area of life. It can mark the start of a new relationship.

Very accurate, and the waters of life resonated with me as being similar to Lake Superior, which had been very bound up in our early relationship (we went there together the day after we met, and had returned there several times).

But it was the second card that floored me with synchronicity – the ‘Present’ card – the card answering the question “What am I to Becky now?”

Because the card I flipped over was the same card Becky had gotten for me, in that same position in the spread – and upside down (“Reversed”), the same way she’d drawn it – giving it the meaning “dishonest, double-dealing man; roguery, exaction, vice, scandal, pillage, considerable loss.“

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The blood drained from my face.

This was the first time I’d ever done tarot cards, and I’d gotten the exact same card that had thrown me into turmoil in the first place, leading me to dabble in tarot cards …

(And when I flipped the "Future" card, I knew I was going to have to change my ways - because it was "The Devil."

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After being stunned by the reversed King of Cups, I was extremely sensitive to this card – and it said to me, very clearly, that I was going to have an evil effect on Becky if I did not change course.

In that moment, I had NO doubt at all that the cards I got were meaningful, and not random coincidences. And even when I was less certain, later on, I still knew that the message was true – and that a Devil was the last thing I wanted to be in her life.

So I ended our dating relationship shortly afterward. I apologized, and even explained the tarot spread I’d gotten. The transition was rough for both of us, but I think we now both agree that it was for the best …
 
Suggesting modifications to this...

Can I also suggest updates to be posted in the thread, so everyone can keep track of where we are?

e.g.

- arthwollipot posts the ten volunteers*

- MrErisian accepts the ten volunteers selected*

- arthwollipot posts his list of six questions, and the question chosen for the test by die-roll**

- MrErisian accepts the selected question

- arthwollipot announces his receipt of the ten readings and that he has numbered them randomly

- arthwollipot announces he has sent the readings via PM to the ten sitters

- arthwollipot announces receipt of the chosen readings from the ten sitters

- arthwollipot post results of the test

My comments are below:

*I think Arthwollipot should not post the names of the volunteers, nor should MrErisian know who they are. That way, he cannot use anything they have posted--consciously or subconsciously--towards shaping his reading(s).


**I think the wording of the questions is going to be extremely important in terms of trying to limit the amount of 'free interpretation' the reader and the subjects will have open to them.


I would also like to volunteer to be one of the subjects, if one is still needed. And I echo the 'grown up questions' sentiment.

regards, MK
 
1. We get ten volunteers (better than three originally suggested and we're almost there already). Since arthwollipot volunteered to control the test, can you - artwollipot - please make a list of the ten selected?
Everyone who volunteers, please send me a PM with the words "I volunteer" in the subject line. I will take the first ten people who do this.

2. I suggest arthwollipot make a list of six questions suitable for a tarot reading and then select one randomly, based on the roll of a die. I think with the sitters selecting questions, clues are already being provided that make the test less controlled (e.g. big decision relating to love life in the next 45 days for Foolmewunz).
I would like further input and feedback on the specific quesstions.

3. I'm not all that familiar with the tarot. Is it possible to do a reading of what has happened in the past month rather than the next month? This way, the results are immediately available rather than waiting a month.

4. MrErisian does a reading for each of the ten volunteers arthwollipot has chosen and sends these readings (with the names on top) to arthwollipot via PM.

5. Arthwollipot randomly assigns numbers (1 to 10) to the readings and arranges them in numerical order. He then PMs the full list of ten readings to each of the ten sitters.

6. The sitters read the ten readings and select the one they think most represents themselves and send a response to arthwollipot via PM with their selection.

7. Arthwollipot counts the successes and failures and posts them on the board.

Feel free to make changes to the protocol, and arthwollipot can make the final call on what he feels is a fair protocol. Any suggestions for what would consitute overall success?
I agree with the above, with one stipulation:

*I think Arthwollipot should not post the names of the volunteers, nor should MrErisian know who they are. That way, he cannot use anything they have posted--consciously or subconsciously--towards shaping his reading(s).
This.

**I think the wording of the questions is going to be extremely important in terms of trying to limit the amount of 'free interpretation' the reader and the subjects will have open to them.
I agree. We need to all agree on the specific wording of the questions before any test will take place. The questions should be as specific as possible.
 
The questions should be applicable to all readers. I think 'What is the situation with x?' is a great question! For the purposes of this test, questions that are more sitter-specific, such as 'Should x take early redundancy?' should be avoided.

Can you differentiate between what is past and present versus what is future? If so, can we make the test about past and present only. At least this way, the results will be immediately available rather than waiting a month.

If the future prediction is a necessary part of the test (see my comments above), I'm happy with the double-test (i.e. pick your reading, reveal accuracy of prediction).

I'd be happy with 7 out of 10.

I'm sure there are other ways of doing tarot but I'm pretty inexperienced and the type I personally want to test is the Celtic Cross style reading. It's the one that has impressed me the most. It gives you a whole set of things about the past and present then a few littler things about the future.

The 'What is the situation with x?' question does seem the most flexible and likely to fit everyone.

Happy with other suggestions for questions. 7 out of 10 seems a bit low of a hit rate, I'm looking for something a bit higher personally. Furthermore, in the event that the test gives us a positive result it won't make me a true believer. It'll just confuse me even more. Then I guess I'll either stop doing them or suggest a few more tests.

Everyone who volunteers, please send me a PM with the words "I volunteer" in the subject line. I will take the first ten people who do this.

That'd include anyone who I've PM'd to confirm they've already volunteered on this string.

I agree with the above, with one stipulation:

*I think Arthwollipot should not post the names of the volunteers, nor should MrErisian know who they are. That way, he cannot use anything they have posted--consciously or subconsciously--towards shaping his reading(s).

The questions should be as specific as possible.

Hang on. I'll need some sort of name or something to concentrate on when I do these readings. Remember I'm not making a claim to have any psychic powers here. I just want to test this process which seems to have been so successful with my friends and family. In the past I've done a few over the phone so I guess that's a bit like being online. In a normal reading I'd know their name, I was thinking that just their forum name was a bit of a stretch but the idea of not actually knowing anything at all doesn't make any sense.

I want this test to sort of explain previously 'successful' readings to me.

This above method means I'd just be doing a load of random readings apropos of nothing.

If you want to mask their online identity perhaps use the volunteer's real life names, if they're ok with revealing that to you? Only their first name obviously, to cut out any suggestion I googled anyone.

In reality I'm honestly not intending to hunt round this forum (or the wider internet) trying to work stuff out about people. Ten tarot card readings is work enough as it is.
 
Hang on. I'll need some sort of name or something to concentrate on when I do these readings. Remember I'm not making a claim to have any psychic powers here. I just want to test this process which seems to have been so successful with my friends and family. In the past I've done a few over the phone so I guess that's a bit like being online. In a normal reading I'd know their name, I was thinking that just their forum name was a bit of a stretch but the idea of not actually knowing anything at all doesn't make any sense.


arthwollipot,

What do you think of the following to accommodate MrErisian's request:

- The list of ten should be made up of forum users who do not use their first names as part of their user names and do not sign their posts with their real names.

- The users who are willing, reveal their first names ONLY to arthwollipot.

- Arthwollipot provides MrErisian with the first names of the sitters.

- Arthwollipot is the only person who is aware of the forum users' real names and agrees not to release the details.

- Likewise, MrErisian should not reveal the names of people he has read for.

By allowing MrErisian real names for the test, he can at least be confident that everything has been done to ensure a fair test from his point of view. Forum users who are unwilling to reveal their real names to arthwollipot can pull out of the test and be replaced by willing participants.
 
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arthwollipot,

What do you think of the following to accommodate MrErisian's request:

- The list of ten should be made up of forum users who do not use their first names as part of their user names and do not sign their posts with their real names.

- The users who are willing, reveal their first names ONLY to arthwollipot.

- Arthwollipot provides MrErisian with the first names of the sitters.

- Arthwollipot is the only person who is aware of the forum users' real names and agrees not to release the details.

- Likewise, MrErisian should not reveal the names of people he has read for.

By allowing MrErisian real names for the test, he can at least be confident that everything has been done to ensure a fair test from his point of view. Forum users who are unwilling to reveal their real names to arthwollipot can pull out of the test and be replaced by willing participants.

I can agree to that. I believe I can trust Arth with a first name... and if it makes MrErisian more comfortable to have a name to associate with a bunch of bits and bytes, I'm for it.
 
We need to all agree on the specific wording of the questions before any test will take place. The questions should be as specific as possible.


For the purposes of this test, I think the 'What is the current situation in relation to...' type question is most appropriate. I understand it isn't as specific as you possibly had in mind, but MrErisian did say he would make the readings as specific as possible. With a general question like 'What is the current situation in relation to...', he has an opportunity to flesh out a decent background that the sitters should easily be able to identify with if tarot really works.

What about something like this:

1. What is the current situation in relation to love life / relationships?
2. What is the current situation in relation to education / career?
3. What is the current situation in relation to relationship with parents?
4. What is the current situation in relation to place of abode?
5. What is the current situation in relation to hobbies / interests?
6. What is the current situation in relation to family (i.e. married, children)?
 
I can agree to that. I believe I can trust Arth with a first name... and if it makes MrErisian more comfortable to have a name to associate with a bunch of bits and bytes, I'm for it.

Just the first name? I can't really see the harm in telling anyone your FIRST name. First and last, yeah, that could be dangerous, but there must be hundreds of people out there who share my first name.
 
Just the first name? I can't really see the harm in telling anyone your FIRST name. First and last, yeah, that could be dangerous, but there must be hundreds of people out there who share my first name.

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