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Spanking children doesn't work.

Fudbucker said:
I have 3 white kids in my class. My school is 90% free-and-reduced lunch. It's an inner-city school.
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Great! Please publish your Classroom Management Plan (or Techniques, at least) so that others may follow the Shinning Path of you success!

Seriously, Caring and very tired teachers want to know!
 
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cullennz said:
Simple answer.

Abandon your kids
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No...not at all.

What kids need is our time...and specifically they need the time to engage us at their convenience...and not ours. And that's a pretty big demand!

I mean, it's easy to lecture a child when they don't want to hear what you are saying as opposed to waiting the agonizing hours for them to come to you for advice when they are ready to listen - but that's how it is. Unfortunatley, a lot of parents aren't there when it happens - they aren't there to hear the child when they are most receptive (and I don't blame this on the parents...it's a societal failing...a lot of parents just don't have the time)

And so it goes.
 
One of the criticisms of spanking is that it really only communicates violence is an acceptable way to get what you want.

Which is actually a very smart lesson and realization about life.
 
Jules Galen said:
Great! Please publish your Classroom Management Plan (or Techniques, at least) so that others may follow the Shinning Path of you success!

Seriously, Caring and very tired teachers want to know!
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There are countless good classroom management plans. Harry Wong is excellent. PBIS is a good resource.

The hard part is implementing whatever plan you've decided on. You have to realize the kids put you on a pedestal. You're the authority figure, the adult in the room. Every time you lose your cool and yell and get mad at the kids, you lose some of that authority, and if you do it enough times, it's just gone. The kids don't respect you anymore.

Never yell, never take anything personally, never get mad, if you've given them a negative consequence, give them a chance to earn it off, and build relationships with the kids. That last is the most important thing.
 
Argumemnon said:
Once again: the research so far has not been conclusive, nor has it studied anything but the extremes. That's like saying water is bad because people drown. You call it a fact because it agrees with you.
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That is untrue on all counts.

AdamSK said:
Are you going to give me the $12?
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No. If you wish to make a point you can do the research. Assuming you actually want to read the study many libraries will have free journal access.

Dr. Keith said:
Geez, like I need another kid asking me for money. OK, I'll give you the money if you let me hit you a few times. Fair?
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There are a number of BDSM porn sites that work on exactly that model...

Argumemnon said:
If you're asking me for more than anecdotes, you know as well as I do that studies on this don't exist; in fact that's the very thing I'm asking for. Otherwise I'm left to speculate, because the studies I've seen so far don't support the conclusion that spanking doesn't work full stop.
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:rolleyes:
Wow, you're refusing to accept the evidence exists because it contradicts your opinion.

Senex said:
Yes, spanking children doesn't work and is wrong. I would also like to add spanking (or hitting) pets is wrong as well. I've been hit and it was wrong.

However, consensual spankings of adult women needs further exploration. My Private Messages thingy works
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:D I could probably get you a munch invite...

Wolrab said:
Does anyone remember the thread on scientific studies and how a huge percentage were non-reproducible, especially social psychology? I find it convenient the researchers here managed to find so many studies for their meta-analysis that were so thoroughly vetted. I would venture a vast majority of psychologist already believe spanking is wrong and their studies just so happen to agree with the results.
https://www.theguardian.com/science...-on-validity-of-psychology-experiment-results
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Sigh. There's a section for conspiracy theories.
 
catsmate said:
That is untrue on all counts.
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How so? Do you even know what the studies compared? Hint: it's been mentioned several times in the thread and in previous threads on the topic.

Wow, you're refusing to accept the evidence exists because it contradicts your opinion.
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Since when do anecdotes count here?

Do you even know what the studies compared? Hint: it's been mentioned several times in the thread and in previous threads on the topic.

One could just as easily say that you are accepting flawed studies as evidence because it agrees with your opinion. And all those smileys and sighs don't really help to convince me that you are all that impartial on this issue.
 
bobdroege7 said:
There are worse things than spanking your kids.

So if the choice is abandonment or spanking, I choose spanking.

Giving them a lot of appropriate attention is better still.
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Exactly. The only two methods of behavioral modification available to parents is either to beat their children or abandon them.
 
The bit I don't get is the need for every kid of every mental, gender type can be sorted by just one method. The no quick smack and shun. Or the short sharp smack to the bum.

Never the twain shall meet
 
Senex said:
Yes, spanking children doesn't work and is wrong. I would also like to add spanking (or hitting) pets is wrong as well. I've been hit and it was wrong.

However, consensual spankings of adult women needs further exploration. My Private Messages thingy works
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catsmate said:
:D I could probably get you a munch invite...
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This is why it's wise to be out to your friends. :D
 
JoeBentley said:
My point was not to equate adult:adult and adult:child interactions to some perfect one to one ratio. My point was the fact that we have to make the "I strike my child but I didn't assault him (semantics of assault and battery aside)" distinction means something.
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But the "I put my child in time out but I didn't kidnap him" distinction doesn't mean something? Or the "I took away my child's cell phone but I didn't rob him" distinction doesn't mean something?

All discipline involves doing things to children that we are not allowed to do to other adults. This is a feature of the system, not a bug.
 
There's an attitude reset button on a kid's ass and sometimes it needs pressing. Once. More than that and you un-reset their attitude. You can't just press it an odd number of times. And the more times you press the reset the less effective it becomes.
 
Jules Galen said:
Then you teach white-bread children.

I've taught white-bread children, It's easy, and it's why jobs in white-bread schools are so hard to find - because teachers there know how well they've got it.

On the other hand, I'd like to see how well you'd do with a classroom of poor blacks and latinos backed by nothing but an equally screwed up and infantalized Administrative Staff. You know...the typical poor, minority American School.
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Are you really suggesting that teachers in disadvantaged schools have to beat their kids to get any sort of discipline?

I'm not even a teacher and I find that offensive. If you really need help with your classroom management so that you can stop hitting the kids in your charge seek out a Love and Logic training course or some other proven system.
 
Jrrarglblarg said:
There's an attitude reset button on a kid's ass and sometimes it needs pressing. Once. More than that and you un-reset their attitude. You can't just press it an odd number of times. And the more times you press the reset the less effective it becomes.
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The plural in the highlighted seems to counter the singular expressed in the underlined.

Imagine, if you reduced your prescribed dosage by one. Would it really change much in the long run?
 
cullennz said:
I don't know.

I can only go by my own experiences but a smack was painful, but over with fairly quickly, and I didn't want another.

Kind of think the later is worse. Especially if yelling at them is also involved.

Yell then shun
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Find the person suggesting shunning and yelling. They would be better able to help you.
 
Argumemnon said:
Still a bit inconclusive.
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Even if I assume the evidence is inconclusive, why choose the method that includes modeling physical violence as a solution to problems?

If we were talking about dogs or coworkers we would reject the violent route unless there was compelling evidence that it was the better route. But with kids you seem on the fence. That seems odd to me.
 
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