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A legend I've mentioned here before, one from Lancashire, concerns the story of Black Annis. She was often described as being hairy, with talon-like claws. She had a cave in the Dane hills, and used an old tree beside the cave to tan the skins of her victims. This could easily be transformed into a Bigfoot tale by someone who is desperate enough. This is the problem with including any old wild-man story in the lore of Bigfoot, you don't get a reliable history for such a creature.

Yowies were mostly described as being "bogeymen," same with Black Annis; a story intended to keep kids in check and make sure they didn't stray too far from home near sundown.
 
You seem intent on putting forth a bunch of lies for an unknown reason, Jodie. I've no idea why you feel the need to do such a thing.

Orang Pendek is in no way associated with any Bigfoot tale, and again, I've seen nothing remotely in the way of "Woolly Booger" stories that didn't come from a "Crypto" book published in the last decade.

King Kong follows a "hairy-man/wild-man/Bigfoot" myth? Really? I don't think it does, tbh, like, not even a little...

"Same story, different spin," yeah, if you totally ignore everything I typed and stick your head in the sand, which is what you apparently seem intent on doing.

None of these myths share anything other than them being legends, myths and random bits of folklore. The only people who see any connections are the ones writing silly books that gullible people can purchase with their Mothman t-shirts from nonsense sites like Cryptomundo.

There are no links between a Woodwose and a wildman, and there are certainly no links between a folkloric "hobbit" from Indonesia and a supposed giant ape-man from the PNW. Likewise, the Yeti is in no way related to either, it was connected by people who desired to make money and spread silly stories for the sake of the press's need for stories. Again, the Yeti had nothing to do with ape-men until we decided it did in the mid-20th century.

Why you continue to ignore these facts and repeat the same tired half-truths is beyond me.

Also, the story your grandpa told could've easily been about a troll, or any other kind of hairy monster (many monsters in myth are described as hairy, for reasons I've mentioned earlier,) yet you're willing to give credence to a hairy-man story, and that is the exact problem I'm describing here: people are too willing to connect the unconnected to form a pattern that isn't there, for the sake of giving a history to a fictional creature that doesn't have, nor warrant one.

Welcome to Jodies world.....it's a world of unsubstantiated claims and astounding ignorance.
As always just a simple looksy into the background would be educational...how one could believe that these are all the same is odd...
 
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They are all primates by appearance but the cosmetic differences are based on cultural expectations. It's still the same myth recycled.
 
They are all primates by appearance but the cosmetic differences are based on cultural expectations. It's still the same myth recycled.

As always....do more research and less shooting off your toes....but as always it's fun to watch ;)
 
If I thought you knew what you were talking about I might actually heed the advice.
 
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They are all primates by appearance but the cosmetic differences are based on cultural expectations. It's still the same myth recycled.

Well, they're all random half-human creatures, mostly for obvious reasons, as humans is what we are, and we create such things in our own image.

But the Yeti was not a primate, it was a vague snow-demon, and mostly associated with stories of bears and spirits. The Woodwose was not a primate, it was just a "man of the forest" kind of thing, like the "Green Man." I don't think the Yowie began life as a primate, either, tbf, and was mostly talked about as a vague monster/boogeyman. This is why it's not logical to assume that they're all connected or have histories. If we're going to randomly lump stories together due to such slight similarities then we're just creating a history for a legend that isn't there. Folklore all comes from the same place, inside us, and our need to project ourselves and our fears and hopes into everything we do, so slight similarities across the board are probable.
 
If I thought you knew what you were talking about I might actually heed the advice.

You've clearly demonstrated on numerous occasions your ignorance of the subject matter....this (your post above) would be just another example ;)
 
Well, they're all random half-human creatures, mostly for obvious reasons, as humans is what we are, and we create such things in our own image.

But the Yeti was not a primate, it was a vague snow-demon, and mostly associated with stories of bears and spirits. The Woodwose was not a primate, it was just a "man of the forest" kind of thing, like the "Green Man." I don't think the Yowie began life as a primate, either, tbf, and was mostly talked about as a vague monster/boogeyman. This is why it's not logical to assume that they're all connected or have histories. If we're going to randomly lump stories together due to such slight similarities then we're just creating a history for a legend that isn't there. Folklore all comes from the same place, inside us, and our need to project ourselves and our fears and hopes into everything we do, so slight similarities across the board are probable.

I'm not saying that the stories are connected, what I'm saying is the hairy man or deceiver/mischief maker is an archetype that generates these various legends. It comes from the human psyche, not necessarily shared culture. I think it originates from a fear of insanity that people mistook for spirit possession before we had modern medicine or even understood the concept of mental health. You could also equate it with the magician, the archetype that seeks transformation since these legendary creatures are considered a mix between animal or human. Now other than being super tall there is very little difference between the story of King Kong and bigfoot. King Kong predates bigfoot by 30 years but it's essentially the same exact story ( big hairy monster running wild ).
 
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You've clearly demonstrated on numerous occasions your ignorance of the subject matter....this (your post above) would be just another example ;)

I think the Dunning-Kruger effect impedes your argument.
 
Well it is bigfoot, Cervelo, how much real research do you think is out there to be found?
 
I'm not saying that the stories are connected, what I'm saying is the hairy man or deceiver/mischief maker is an archetype that generates these various legends. It comes from the human psyche, not necessarily shared culture. I think it originates from a fear of insanity that people mistook for spirit possession before we had modern medicine or even understood the concept of mental health. You could also equate it with the magician, the archetype that seeks transformation since these legendary creatures are considered a mix between animal or human. Now other than being super tall there is very little difference between the story of King Kong and bigfoot. King Kong predates bigfoot by 30 years but it's essentially the same exact story ( big hairy monster running wild ).

I honestly don't think it comes from any one place, really. As has been mentioned earlier, a lot of depictions of "wild" men came from various places, and in some cases they were stories put out there to make a certain type of person seem uncouth and savage, it didn't literally mean that these people were ape-men or monsters, just that they were thought of as being less civilized. The Irish were depicted exactly like that by the English for a long time, even being shown in illustrations as wild, drunken ape-men:

https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2011/01/28/irish-apes-tactics-of-de-humanization/

The thing to note in much of this "history" is that the press were nothing but a few drunks looking to sell stories, whether they actually had a story or not, which isn't too dissimilar from certain tabloids of today. An escaped chimp suddenly became a wild monster, wreaking havoc on unsuspecting virgins, eating unfaithful men and other such nonsense.

These stories come from so many different places, for many different reasons, and a lot of them are essentially fabricated to scare a younger generation. Monsters don't tend to change all that much from generation to generation. We've always had actual "monsters" in our very own towns and cities; child-killers being a very common form of that monster, and stories were created to explain how a regular person could be such a deviant, think Jekyll and Hyde, which ironically coincided on the London stage with the Whitechapel murders of 1888, that in itself fed the stories of Jack the Ripper, who was depicted in the press as a ghoul and a monster, probably also in turn fed by stories of Spring-Heeled Jack, and the "London Monster" from a century before in 1788. Things are connected for the sake of being connected, we see patterns and we go with it.

I don't agree re: King Kong being similar to Bigfoot in any way, really. One was an giant ape living in a far-off jungle island, brought by curiosity to the US to make money, whereas the other one is a confused story of a large ape-man who wanders around the forests leaving footprints in its wake.

A "big hairy monster" is so vague a description that it can encompass many unconnected stories throughout our history. Spiders are also something we envision as being "big hairy monsters," "Where the Wild Things are" is another famous depiction of big hairy monsters, it's just a combination of all of our fears: savage, hairy, smelly, uncivil beasts.
 
Well it is bigfoot, Cervelo, how much real research do you think is out there to be found?

There is none, and that's why I don't agree that we should start lumping unrelated stories together to give a history to something that doesn't have one. Such a thing is what encourages morons to assume that things like Bigfoot are real in the first place.
 
Welcome to Jodies world.....it's a world of unsubstantiated claims and astounding ignorance.
As always just a simple looksy into the background would be educational...how one could believe that these are all the same is odd...
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It's a habit for us to see patterns and make connections, and this is why we likely even have such a thing as a Bigfoot today. Suddenly, Nephilims are Bigfoot, Woodwoses are Bigfoot, even the Brazilian Mapinguari, a creature depicted with a friggin' eyeball/mouth in the middle of its chest, is a Bigfoot.

It all comes down to what monster you choose to believe in; if it's aliens, then Bigfoot is either an alien or a product of aliens, lizard-man is an alien or a hairless Bigfoot, depending on your preference, it goes on and on, Dogman? Bigfoot! Bigfoot? Dogman!
 
I'm not saying that the stories are connected, what I'm saying is the hairy man or deceiver/mischief maker is an archetype that generates these various legends. It comes from the human psyche, not necessarily shared culture.

Just a little chart to help you ID all of the different Hairyman Archetypes.

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I still say the impetus for the legend comes from the human psyche. I think you're wrong about King Kong, myth and legend do borrow from each other when cultures cross.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beeJ3mvn7fA

Out of everything I've typed on here, it's odd that you'd say this, since I've essentially been telling you the same thing, lol. My point was that King Kong has nothing to do with Bigfoot, and it doesn't, like, at all... But I did say that legend feeds legend and we feed all of it. Randomly associating King Kong with Bigfoot, imho, is lazy and a tad desperate. There's simply nothing there to connect the two, except the fact that one's an ape and one's an ape-man, if that's what you call a "connection," then Bigfoot is also connected to Curious ******* George.
 

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