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Then we have a winner.
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Then we have a winner.
Hans
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There is that fellow on Canadian political forum that had twenty page rant about cats being unsuitable participants in public fondue bathing.
You keep looking at the Math that favors your delusions (wait? am I not the rambling delusional here?) about being "just", "good Christian", ... in short "American" fellows.
The "percentage" that I have been taking about, the question I have asking is and you say you don't "understand", is, once again:
Why is it that your "freedom loving" "worldsonlysuperpower", "errorist" "every civilian death is a tragedy", ... bs comes to a screeching stop when it comes to a power you can't easily abuse?
By the way, if you have some wits spared and/or are reading this from some other parts of the world/don't spend your life watching TV, ... gringos are actually like that! Of course, they "understand" very well what I am talking about!
> gringos are actually like that!
We all know wikipedia is "kept". I remember when Vladimir Putin killed Michael Hastings:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hastings_(journalist)
how his USG girlfriend later "understood" it was just an "accident" @@)
Hastings had a friend in the military who knew better and kept exposing Vladimir Putin for what he had done, but I was amazed at how he kept talking about abusively, genocidally abusing a people as if he were talking about going out with his buddies for a pick up basketball game.
We all know wikipedia is "kept". I remember when Vladimir Putin killed Michael Hastings:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hastings_(journalist)
how his USG girlfriend later "understood" it was just an "accident" @@)
Hastings had a friend in the military who knew better and kept exposing Vladimir Putin for what he had done, but I was amazed at how he kept talking about abusively, genocidally abusing a people as if he were talking about going out with his buddies for a pick up basketball game.
Cosmic Yak
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It is possible that, somewhere buried deeply within this farrago of over-punctuated gibberish, is an answer to my question.
Can anyone spot it?
Hans
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I suspect that the problem is that our good friend isn't actually talking to anyone here but instead is replying to a voice in his head.
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You don't need to explain that do me. I am not abusively killing people and/or "justifying" such actions. You should ask that morally deafferented USG moron:
// __ Damage Control: CIA chief challenges torture report claims, defends Bush-era tactics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHHsolzFY8k
Hans
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Well how rare we can agree that the Bush WH was wrong to institute torture.
Now can you apologize for the slaughter and enslavement of Native Americans by the Spanish/Portuguese?
Oh, and you still have not apologized for your name sake conquering the Philippines or the inquisition, or Spanish brutality towards the Dutch and Italian speaking people.
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BStrong
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The Spanish/American war is what ended slavery in Cuba, The Philippine islands and Puerto Rico.
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Yep officially ended by Spanish royal decree on October 7, 1886 but really ended by the USA - but I believe even that took some time. The Brazilians held on to the bitter end, officially ending it in 1888 but it dragged on in part until the 1930's.
(an aside it lasted even longer in Arab countries. When I worked in Saudi during the 1990's my boss was Saudi and this fellow was born a slave in 1950)
Oh, yeah! happiness is all we need in our current and next life!
How was it again? Was it about liberty and the pursuit of in your life, right? or was it the song from where I had heard that before?
and hey!, if you are not that happy all you need is a TV set! but it would be much, much better not to have a brain on a healthily sturdy spine! All you need is enough neurons to realize that you need to buy that new new thing and find your way to it and be happy about it.
Or, wait! You "freedom lovers" are always so intellectually and spiritually profound that at times I wonder if I am able to follow your trains of thought. Do you mean I should be happy that freedom lovers are killing little girls and their grandmas to make sure that "justice prevails in the universe", that all that superpowerness remains unchallenged ... instead of killing you and me?
What I have been talking about is: How come gringos are only the brave and all of that only when it comes to abuse. Otherwise they don't understand, addopt a totally different mindset (to call it something) to become "responsibe", ...
As I have said and still demonstrably maintain. USG would not compare well to even freedom loving by the Nazis on a good number of important counts.
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Cosmic Yak
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You're not wrong there, mate. Here we go again.
Well, it wasn't from anyone here, so maybe it was a song.
Something about TV. Was anyone here talking about TV?
Don't think so.
Literally no-one has said anything remotely resembling this. Who are you replying to?
The concept of discussion is rather lost on you, isn't it?
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You've come back lovely, now back to the questions and requests you keep running from:
Now can you apologize for the slaughter and enslavement of Native Americans by the Spanish/Portuguese?
Oh, and you still have not apologized for your name sake conquering the Philippines or the inquisition, or Spanish brutality towards the Dutch and Italian speaking people.
Why are the non-Gringo states in South America so warlike and constantly attacking one another?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_South_America
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Axxman300
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The better question is why Panama, a former US satellite, and country we invaded to capture Manuel Noriega, is a stable, prosperous country?
Maybe because they're next to Costa Rica?
They border Colombia, which has had its ups and downs yet somehow Panama has continued to have free elections, and even a few successful anti-corruption crusades. Even though we closed our bases in 1999, right on schedule per our treaty, the Panamanians continue to allow our forces (working with their PDF) to drop in to their country each year.
You'd think they'd be done with teh eebil Estados Unitos.
Maybe because they're next to Costa Rica?
They border Colombia, which has had its ups and downs yet somehow Panama has continued to have free elections, and even a few successful anti-corruption crusades. Even though we closed our bases in 1999, right on schedule per our treaty, the Panamanians continue to allow our forces (working with their PDF) to drop in to their country each year.
You'd think they'd be done with teh eebil Estados Unitos.
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Oh yeah rlopez2 you also ran away from explaining all these wars in SA? Care to step up and explain how they were 'ok' or will you just run away again?
Stop cleverhansing yourself:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clever_hans
Anyone can see what I mean. You keep self ridiculing yourself while trying to drag my points to different waters and thinking people can't notice that. I wonder if you notice that from the 6 countries in your contrived list at least 4 were or had been imperial powers. Again, in that sense WWII was great! "Negritos" in "regions" of the world learned that their masters could and should get a hard kick in their rear as well, which was fundamental in the start of the liberation, anticolonial movement, which hasn't come to completion yet. We will see more and more "regions" of the world choosing China as their business partner.
Why is it exactly people can't do to you what you have been doing to other people in other "regions" of the world calling it "glory" and talking yourself into believing and feeling great about it?
I demonstrably maintain that imperial powers, including the U.S., would not hold a higher moral ground to even Nazis on very important and relevant counts:
// __ A Conversation with Daniel Ellsberg: Reconciling Personal Integrity and Government Service
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdBiJDyUtbA
North Vietnam suffered the heaviest bombing in human history ... which beginning then in February of 65 led to almost 8 million tons of explosives being dropped on Indochina or four times the tonnage in the whole of world war ii.
North Vietnam was 1.6% the size of Europe (North Vietnam size: 157,880 km^2 / Europe size: 10,180,000 km^2), but USG managed to freedom love them 4 times more intensively! and hey! being loved should always be much better than being hated, right?
Anyone can see my points. When Nazis were doing their "freedom loving" they did some propaganda but not to the extent of freedom lovers (in the main the British and U.S. government). They honestly called it "Lebensraum" not "manifest destiny", "Monroe Doctrine", ... or "God gave us that land" (their favorable Landlord God is) as "the region's only democracy" (tm) claims while occupying Palestine.
Nazis:
a) went head on against imperial powers right in Europe,
b) didn't go to the UN to lie their heads off,
c) didn't have "alliance of the willing", ...
d) most interestingly the genocide of even Nazis, yes, yes, yes ... even taking into account that, depending on how much weight you give to "alternate" versions of the story: they were exterminating people in an industrial scale and/or they were helping those people exterminate themselves
e) when USG told them they would have to deal with the "consequences" if they continued sinking their boats, Nazis didn't even care to give them a verbal response through "diplomatic channels" they just found fastidious having the sink more of their boats
f) you have mentioned that Nazis were killing people to "clean their race" that they were killing the sick, homosexual, ... so, as freedom lovers do, killing people just for -being-, for -happened to be part of their signature strikes- is much better? It has been exhaustively researched that Nazis learned about "racial cleaning" from whom? .. Hmm! That is interesing?! They were actually amazed at "how easily" freedom lovers would go wherever they pleased in the world put up a few canons and make history happen ...
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*) you could "discover" that the genocide by freedom lovers and the systematic destruction of "regions" of the world has been more damaging in the short and long run than what Nazis ever did.
// __ Teaching guide: The most dangerous man in america. Daniel Ellsberg and the pentagon papers
https://www.newday.com/sites/default/files/resources/MDM Teaching Guide.pdf
They continue doing so because that is the only way they can exist. For an example look at Africa!
Now, since you like graphic design so much you can calculate the genocide of freedom lovers as I have explained to you already and show it in a picture. They say pictures are worth a thousand word salads.
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I note, with absolutely no surprise, that you continue to fail to answer the questions put to you but instead engage in puerile personal attacks, leavened with attempts to distort the narrative and drag it off-topic. Rather pathetic.
http://www.mostdangerousman.org/press_materials/MDM_Show_Transcript.doc
(2:27:18) Over 2 million Vietnamese and 58,000 Americans died in the war.
The USA population was 166 millions at the start of the war in 1955 which lasted till 1975. So, as a people 58,000/166,000,000 = 0.00034939759 that is 0.034 % of gringos "freedom lovingly" died and since we should take into account that those US troops weren't really killing the Vietnamese but "greater gooding" them, letting them serve a "higher purpose" for which they should be very thankful, I think, we should use the lowest approximation: 2 million Vietnamese.
So USG's genocidal ratio in Vietnam was 2000000/0.00034939759 = 5,724,137,936.96
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Now compare that figure with the genocide by Nazis:
How many people were killed by Nazism, that is the European part of WWII: 50,542,100 (using the highest figures and including everybody killed in extermination camps, due to famines (even if not directly brought about by Nazis) ...)
German and Austrian population (1939): 69,300,000
total deaths: 6,900,000 to 7,400,000 (at the risk of being called a neo nazi anyway using the lowest figure): 6900000/69300000 = 0,0995670996
Genocidal ratio by Nazism: (50,542,100 / 0,0995670996) = 507,618,482.441
So, as you could see freedom lovers during the Vietnam war were orders of magnitud more genocidal than even Nazis. How much more genocidal? Well, this one of the cool things about Math, "you can put a number on it": 5,724,137,936 / 507,618,482 = 11.2764569041.
USG was 10 times more genocidal than Nazis! Which begs the questionS:
a) how come they didn't tell me about such things in "U.S. History"/global studies classes?
b) Has USG learned anything? What was the genocidal ratio during their latest "freedom loving" wars?
You are the graphic artist in town. I didn't want to abuse you with some 3rd grade Math. So, you have the two numbers and their quotient. I can't wait to see what you will do with those numbers artistically.
(2:27:18) Over 2 million Vietnamese and 58,000 Americans died in the war.
The USA population was 166 millions at the start of the war in 1955 which lasted till 1975. So, as a people 58,000/166,000,000 = 0.00034939759 that is 0.034 % of gringos "freedom lovingly" died and since we should take into account that those US troops weren't really killing the Vietnamese but "greater gooding" them, letting them serve a "higher purpose" for which they should be very thankful, I think, we should use the lowest approximation: 2 million Vietnamese.
So USG's genocidal ratio in Vietnam was 2000000/0.00034939759 = 5,724,137,936.96
~
Now compare that figure with the genocide by Nazis:
How many people were killed by Nazism, that is the European part of WWII: 50,542,100 (using the highest figures and including everybody killed in extermination camps, due to famines (even if not directly brought about by Nazis) ...)
German and Austrian population (1939): 69,300,000
total deaths: 6,900,000 to 7,400,000 (at the risk of being called a neo nazi anyway using the lowest figure): 6900000/69300000 = 0,0995670996
Genocidal ratio by Nazism: (50,542,100 / 0,0995670996) = 507,618,482.441
So, as you could see freedom lovers during the Vietnam war were orders of magnitud more genocidal than even Nazis. How much more genocidal? Well, this one of the cool things about Math, "you can put a number on it": 5,724,137,936 / 507,618,482 = 11.2764569041.
USG was 10 times more genocidal than Nazis! Which begs the questionS:
a) how come they didn't tell me about such things in "U.S. History"/global studies classes?
b) Has USG learned anything? What was the genocidal ratio during their latest "freedom loving" wars?
You are the graphic artist in town. I didn't want to abuse you with some 3rd grade Math. So, you have the two numbers and their quotient. I can't wait to see what you will do with those numbers artistically.
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