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rlopez2 said:
I thought any of you could finish the Math after the explanation of the terms involved. How could you attempt to articulate such higher concepts as morality which neurobiologically speaking are more metabolically demanding, when you can't even do primary school Math?
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Parklife.
 
There they go ...
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Can you expand on that remark at all?
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We already had a protracted back and forth right on this thread about what a fractions are and aren't. We even had someone claiming to be a Mathematician saying all kinds of nonsense about what denominators and numbers are.

no amount of correct mathematics can transform your position into a reasonable one
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I wondered if you might try to show us that your "genocide ratio" is a useful measure of something
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It is not just about "mathematics", the only way of comparing apples to something resembling apples somehow is through that "genocidal ratio" as some sort of measurable statistics, because there are many other "unreasonable", "measurably useless", "hard to understand" ... aspects of freedom lovers towards which you have some sort of moral and apparently also, visual blindness.

Here is the question which is invariably met with cosmic silence by you: Why is it that USG doesn't freedom love China and/or Russia? Aren't they the worldsonlysuperpower? Can't "Israely intelligence" (as they talk) help them find those countries on a map? So, what is the problem? Only if USG would honor their bs and would go after forces that could and certainly would defend themselves on an equal basis, as Nazis did, would any other kind of statistics make sense.

By the way, I will do that Math for you when I find the time. The thing is that, as you say: "my nurses" and "mother" here are taking too much of my time. I am sure that people who can do their primary school Math and have some sense of morality would understand exactly what I mean.

The other day I couldn't believe my ears when I heard that USG is accusing China of "producing more goods then the world needs". Really? What could they possibly effing mean?
 
rlopez2 said:
We even had someone claiming to be a Mathematician saying all kinds of nonsense about what denominators and numbers are.
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We did, yes, but it wasn't the one you like to think it was.

rlopez2 said:
It is not just about "mathematics", the only way of comparing apples to something resembling apples somehow is through that "genocidal ratio" as some sort of measurable statistics,[…]
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Nobody is denying that statistics are a very useful means of making those comparisons. What we're pointing out is that the specific measure you've chosen to insist on - "the ratio of all people killed in a war by the agressor to the percentage of their own" (your own words including spelling error) is a stupid statistic to use as a measure of genocide, because, if a nation kills a number of its own people as an act of genocide in the course of a much larger war of aggression, it's inversely proportional to the number of people killed in the genocide.

I'd also point out that you claimed that "the ratio of all people killed in a war by the agressor to the percentage of their own" (as defined by you in post #245) was the same as "the product of the number of people killed by a nation times 100 divided by the number of people from that nation that died in the war the aggresors started," (your own words from post #247), a mathematical blooper of the highest order that suggests that you don't even understand your own definitions. If you can spot your own error and explain it, you might regain at least a tiny bit of credibility here.

Dave
 
rlopez2 said:
... Here is the question which is invariably met with cosmic silence by you: Why is it that USG doesn't freedom love China and/or Russia? Aren't they the worldsonlysuperpower? Can't "Israely intelligence" (as they talk) help them find those countries on a map? So, what is the problem?
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Well, let's unpack that a bit. You appear to be asking why the world's currently-largest military power doesn't immediately attack the next two largest. I think the trivial answer is that the predictable outcome would be far worse than the status quo. I assume you think so too, yet the inference from the way you pose your question is that you think we should be surprised by this realisation, and perhaps you even imagine that the Americans among us should somehow be ashamed to admit it. Is that your view?

If I were to guess, I should say you take it for granted that there is something different about American patriotism which sets it apart from any other nation's patriotism; that Americans believe that they are uniquely good and uniquely invincible, also that everyone on this forum except you believes this to be true. Although this seems very silly to me, I can't think of a better explanation for your odd strawman question. Maybe you can furnish a better one. Maybe you can't.


By the way, I will do that Math for you when I find the time.
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Wonderful news. I am counting the days.
 
rlopez2 said:
Here is the question which is invariably met with cosmic silence by you: Why is it that USG doesn't freedom love China and/or Russia? Aren't they the worldsonlysuperpower? Can't "Israely intelligence" (as they talk) help them find those countries on a map? So, what is the problem?
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If the US actually did declare war on both Russia and China, would this make you happy? It does rather sound like you want this to happen.
Your statement also ignores the actions that the US- and others- have taken against those countries. Attempts are being made to rein in military aggression from Russia and China, including economic sanctions, cyber-warfare, and displays of assertion by the US Navy in the South China Sea. Are you aware of these actions, and what do you think of them?
Quite what Israel has to do with this, beyond the usual anti-semitism, is beyond me.
 
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Your statement also ignores the actions that the US- and others- have taken against those countries. Attempts are being made to rein in military aggression from Russia and China, including economic sanctions, cyber-warfare, and displays of assertion by the US Navy in the South China Sea. Are you aware of these actions, and what do you think of them?
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Oooh, let me guess; they're US acts of aggression that prove that the US is evil just as much as the US not committing any acts of aggression would?

Dave
 
Well, let's unpack that a bit. You appear to be asking why the world's currently-largest military power doesn't immediately attack the next two largest. I think the trivial answer is that the predictable outcome would be far worse than the status quo.
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That was all seemingly "very" logical, but here is the bsing underlying assumption. Why ist it that they are brave, very unlogical, way more genocidal than even Nazis, have all those "logical" doctrines, self serving philosophies ... when it comes to people who can't defend themselves on an equal basis?

This is the part you gringos don't "unpack" because you will be exposing yourself for what/who you actually are.
 
Another of your bsing "clever Hans"(sing) statements:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clever_Hans

is that Nazis kill their own for being Jewish, homosexual, political opnonents, ...

Now, are freedom lovers better when they kill people just for being? simply because they can abuse them?
 
It's very hard to parse your rambling writing but you appear to be asking a number of questions rolled into one.

The main one seems to be "If the US doesn't attack China, why does it ever use military force?". You might as well ask why any country sometimes resorts to military force. When diplomacy fails, when the damage done (including to itself and its reputation) will be less than if they don't act.

It seems though that this question is merely the framework upon which you sprinkle a bunch of more loaded questions., the essence of which seems to be "Why do they pretend to be the goodies when they're the most wicked bad guys there have ever been?".

Before we can address that, maybe you should make your case that this is so. Perhaps we should wait for your maths.

PS You appear to assume I am American. I am not.
 
rlopez2 said:
Here is the question which is invariably met with cosmic silence by you: Why is it that USG doesn't freedom love China and/or Russia? Aren't they the worldsonlysuperpower? Can't "Israely intelligence" (as they talk) help them find those countries on a map? So, what is the problem? Only if USG would honor their bs and would go after forces that could and certainly would defend themselves on an equal basis, as Nazis did, would any other kind of statistics make sense.
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So, you want the USA to start a nuclear war with either of those two countries - or both - to make you happy?

Kinda bad for the whole world dude.

Killing everyone is going to make them democratic.....
 
rlopez2 said:
Here is the question which is invariably met with cosmic silence by you: Why is it that USG doesn't freedom love China and/or Russia? Aren't they the worldsonlysuperpower? Can't "Israely intelligence" (as they talk) help them find those countries on a map? So, what is the problem? Only if USG would honor their bs and would go after forces that could and certainly would defend themselves on an equal basis, as Nazis did, would any other kind of statistics make sense.
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So, you want the USA to start a nuclear war with either of those two countries - or both - to make you happy?

Kinda bad for the whole world dude.

Killing everyone isn't going to make them democratic.....
 
If I were to guess, I should say you take it for granted that there is something different about American patriotism which sets it apart from any other nation's patriotism; that Americans believe that they are uniquely good and uniquely invincible, also that everyone on this forum except you believes this to be true.
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Yeah, (in case you are not being sarcastic in some elaborate way) it is called "gringo exceptionalism"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism

and everyone knows that as you magnanimously say: gringo ***** is the bestest that has and will ever have been dumped on the Universe.

They are "Americans" after all, you know? and in order to understand what gringos mean by that, you have to first get what they mean when they call something "unAmerican" (something base, hopelessly stupid, morally deafferented, ...)

Quite what Israel has to do with this, beyond the usual anti-semitism, is beyond me.
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First you were calling me racist for calling you gringos, now you are calling me an anti-semite? I am just making fun of USG when they say and repeat that they acted on "Israeli intellegence" (for example, for that latest drone strike to the de facto vice president of a country)

I just wonder why is it that "Israeli intellegence" doesn't help them to find Russia and/or China on a map? Is that so hard?

Here is the question which is invariably met with cosmic silence by you: Why is it that USG doesn't freedom love China and/or Russia? Aren't they the worldsonlysuperpower? Can't "Israely intelligence" (as they talk) help them find those countries on a map? So, what is the problem? Only if USG would honor their bs and would go after forces that could and certainly would defend themselves on an equal basis, as Nazis did, would any other kind of statistics make sense.
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So, you want the USA to start a nuclear war with either of those two countries - or both - to make you happy?

Kinda bad for the whole world dude.
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that one last line:

Killing everyone is going to make them democratic.....
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exposes well gringo mindset.

No, I don't think that it will make me or anyone "happy" whatever that could mean. You keep stupidly twisting my points, making fun of yourself. What I very clearly ask is why is it that gringos are the worldsonlysuperpower to kill little girls and their grandmas for threatening all that worldsonlysuperpowerness but then become so "logical", "responsible", ... when they would face a real force. Nazis at least had the balls to go up to real forces head on!

// __ Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister.

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30...emen-trump-just-killed-his-8-year-old-sister/
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// __ When Will Obama Apologize for All the Other Innocent Victims of Drone Strikes?

https://theintercept.com/2015/04/24/obama-drone-apology/
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// __ Merry Christmas, America! Let’s Remember the Children Who Live in Fear of Our Killer Drones.

https://theintercept.com/2019/12/25/merry-christmas-us-drone-strikes/
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All gringos have ever done and still do, all their bsing "pax americana", "american exceptionalism", "Monroe" ... doctrines and self serving philosophies are based on safely calculated abuse. They even have 2nd-tier self serving philosophies to "understand", back their own 1st tier bs.

At this point USG is getting pathetic. They are not only "punishing" German business involved in Nordstream 2, also and more laughingly acussing China of producing more than the world needs! What about "freewheeling capitalism"? Are they proposing socialism, what do they even mean?!?
 
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rlopez2 said:
// __ Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister.

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30...emen-trump-just-killed-his-8-year-old-sister/
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// __ When Will Obama Apologize for All the Other Innocent Victims of Drone Strikes?

https://theintercept.com/2015/04/24/obama-drone-apology/
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// __ Merry Christmas, America! Let’s Remember the Children Who Live in Fear of Our Killer Drones.

https://theintercept.com/2019/12/25/merry-christmas-us-drone-strikes/
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Whilst every civilian death is a tragedy to be deplored, highlighting isolated incidents whilst ignoring the fuller picture can be misleading.
rlopez2, of all the civilian deaths in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq and Yemen, what percentage do you believe were caused by the US and its allies, as compared with the percentage killed by Pakistanis, Afghans, Iraqis and non-American forces in Yemen?
 
rlopez2 said:
Yeah, (in case you are not being sarcastic in some elaborate way) it is called "gringo exceptionalism"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism

and everyone knows that as you magnanimously say: gringo ***** is the bestest that has and will ever have been dumped on the Universe.

They are "Americans" after all, you know? and in order to understand what gringos mean by that, you have to first get what they mean when they call something "unAmerican" (something base, hopelessly stupid, morally deafferented, ...)



First you were calling me racist for calling you gringos, now you are calling me an anti-semite? I am just making fun of USG when they say and repeat that they acted on "Israeli intellegence" (for example, for that latest drone strike to the de facto vice president of a country)

I just wonder why is it that "Israeli intellegence" doesn't help them to find Russia and/or China on a map? Is that so hard?



that one last line:



exposes well gringo mindset.

No, I don't think that it will make me or anyone "happy" whatever that could mean. You keep stupidly twisting my points, making fun of yourself. What I very clearly ask is why is it that gringos are the worldsonlysuperpower to kill little girls and their grandmas for threatening all that worldsonlysuperpowerness but then become so "logical", "responsible", ... when they would face a real force. Nazis at least had the balls to go up to real forces head on!

// __ Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister.

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30...emen-trump-just-killed-his-8-year-old-sister/
~
// __ When Will Obama Apologize for All the Other Innocent Victims of Drone Strikes?

https://theintercept.com/2015/04/24/obama-drone-apology/
~
// __ Merry Christmas, America! Let’s Remember the Children Who Live in Fear of Our Killer Drones.

https://theintercept.com/2019/12/25/merry-christmas-us-drone-strikes/
~
All gringos have ever done and still do, all their bsing "pax americana", "american exceptionalism", "Monroe" ... doctrines and self serving philosophies are based on safely calculated abuse. They even have 2nd-tier self serving philosophies to "understand", back their own 1st tier bs.

At this point USG is getting pathetic. They are not only "punishing" German business involved in Nordstream 2, also and more laughingly acussing China of producing more than the world needs! What about "freewheeling capitalism"? Are they proposing socialism, what do they even mean?!?
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What exactly is this rambling nonsense?
 
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