Tricky said:
Well then you should avoid using the words "choose" or "choice" completely. People are going to be confused if you say "choice" when you mean "no choice". What do you suggest for an alternative?
just think to yourself "wraith's choices are Fated"
See? Anyone listening to you would think you had all kinds of free will with all the "choices" you are about to make.
Would I agree your brain state "determined" what you chose? Possibly. Of course, that brain state could also be described as "free will". Unless you can show that the brain state is a reliable predictor of what you will do, then you have at least the illusion of free will. In my opinion, the illusion of free will is no different from free will unless you can show how it is different. Some other atheists disagree with me on this point.
Illusion of free-will?
Do you have an illusion of a 4 sided triangle?
Uh, no. There are no options. I thought we cleared this up earlier. Why are you asking the same questions I already answered? Is your memory that poor?
haha
what makes you think that you have an option to have cerial or toast ( whether it may be more complex then you or not
) for breakfast?
when you go to take a dump, did you just happen to use toilet paper willy nilly?
why didnt cavemen use "free-will" and make the stuff?
And how is "obeying TLOP" discernably different from making choices? I would venture to say that you cannot provide any evidence for difference. Prove me wrong, if you can.
Bit like a pilot who was ordered to go into battle, then saying to his friends that he "chose" to?
Can you tell me what choices you will make in the future?
I plan to catch the bus for work.
If not, then you have no evidence that your choices have already been made. Did you know in advance you would pick 33? You say you didn't have a reason for picking it. What evidence can you give to show that your choice was fated, versus you picking it with free will?
Why would I "choose" a number in the first place if you didnt ask the question?
When you did ask the question, it would make no sense for me to say "I knew that I was going to pick 33"
What is the observable difference between a fate which makes decisions that you cannot predict and free will which makes decisions you cannot predict? There is none. You claim there is a reason, but you can give no evidence, and you use the word "choice" then claim it means "no choice". Wraith my nescient young lad. You are engaging in "wishful thinking".
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How does obeying TLOP give you free-will, whether you can be predicted or not by another person?
If they have already been made, can you tell me what all of your future choices are? If not, then why do you assume they have been made? Wouldn't it be a bummer if you had a major babe at your birthday party that really wanted to get close to you, but you discovered your MPB said it was not gonna happen? If it were me, I'd tell my MPB to take a long walk off a short pier. Something tells me, you would too.
haha!
MPB doesnt work like that.
I dont know if im going to get into a fight tomorrow with a group of tuffs lol
if I am, then at this point in time, they must be doing something that leads to the actual fight. The way that I will respond is based on my MPB. My MPB processes my history to give an outcome.
Just say that you box, and for the past 50 matches, you have dominated every fight that you had with this other boxer. When you guys meet again the next day, will you be scared?
All right then. TLOP includes laws that are non-deterministic. Since there are non-deterministic things in the universe, free will is possible. Not only is it possible, TLOP demands it.
How does uncertainy = free-will?
When do you come to a red light and have feelings of uncertainy, whether or not you have the ability to stop?
How does TLOP demand free-will?
You obey TLOP. You can have both. You cant use QM as an argument either. If I was driving a car at complete random, does the car have "choice" to go left or right? Backwards or forwards?
I have accepted your dare. Will you accept mine? I dare you to deliberately say something that contradicts Franko. I just want to see if you have any yarbles.
You're no longer a teenager, wraith. You can make your own decisions. Go for it.
haha
I accept!
Frankster believes that he drives on the right side of the road. I believe that I do
and ask me to "choose" one.