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Rape

Tony

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Tony
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I find rape (of anyone, man, woman and child) to be one of the most disgusting things, maybe even worse than murder. When ever I think of my girlfriend, my mom or my sister (or any woman (or child)) being raped, by blood starts to boil. What should be the punishment for a rapist? I am thinking death. What are your thoughts on the matter?
 
My sister was raped. I say imprison the SOB. Of course, our first thoughts were vigilante justice, but why drag ourselves into legal problems on his account? Back in the "good old days", however, me and my brothers would have done what was needful.
 
What should be the punishment for a rapist? I am thinking death. What are your thoughts on the matter?
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Depends how sure you are the person did it. I would argue for a darn long prison term if the evidence isn't do damning. I don't want to put innocent on death row.

Gem
 
One problem with this is that a lot of rapes are in a grey area.

While I'd have no problem seeing a sexual predator who rapes 10 year olds getting the death sentence......I'm thinking about situations where the "victim" is 17 going on 25 and is anything but innocent.

There's a fine line sometime between consent & rape and I'm not sure if would we should be too eager to deal out death in some of these cases.

One thing I do agree with though.....normally--someone can only use deadly force (as in handgun) against an aggressor if their life is in imminant danger. Usually this means the aggressor himself must be armed too or it's not considered justifiable self-defense.

I think most state laws allow women to use deadly force to stop a rapist..even if he's unarmed. I'm sure someone will argue that "well...he didn't want to kill her--only rape her--it was wrong to shoot him".......but I know what I'd want one of my loved ones to do in that situation...............
 
You would need to be VERY careful about this - "rape" can cover such a broad band of subjects and experiences... And it is such an emotive word too.

For example, years ago at our school while having a waterfight with buckets of water, one student was hit full-face while protesting that he did not want to be involved. He claimed that he was "raped" - forced against his will to participate in an activity he found repugnant. But this was extremely petty and trivial compared to "rape" as sexual violation of a young child. And yet both are CLASSED as such.

BTW, DO NOT take that to mean that I feel we should be soft on rapists - far from it. I believe the punishment should fit the crime. As I've said before, for truly nasty and convicted rapists, I have no sympathy at all. But death is too good for them - it is NOT a punishment but only a release from it.

Perhaps... McMurdo Sound airstrip usually needs continuous cleaning from penguin-poop.......by licking it only would be good.
 
Ralph said:
One problem with this is that a lot of rapes are in a grey area.
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I agree. The mere charge of rape shouldn't make one's blood boil. It's very easy to make the charge. "He raped me," or "I was raped," are cheap and easy phrases to use far too often.

That doesn't mean that real rapes do not occur. Certainly, they do. Nevertheless, morning after regrets also make for a lot of false charges.


While I'd have no problem seeing a sexual predator who rapes 10 year olds getting the death sentence......I'm thinking about situations where the "victim" is 17 going on 25 and is anything but innocent.
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This isn't directed at you so much, but your remarks here remind me of my experience with others, including defense attorneys who should know better. I'm amazed at how often people assume we mean "statutory rape," as in sexual intercourse with a girl deemed too young to give consent, whenever the word "rape" is used. Rape is much broader than that one circumstance. It also covers nonconsensual sex where force is used against the woman or where she is incapable of giving consent, such as when she is drugged with the so-called "date-rape" pill, for example.


There's a fine line sometime between consent & rape and I'm not sure if would we should be too eager to deal out death in some of these cases.
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Absolutely. Just two weeks ago I finished trying a rape case to a jury and my client was acquitted. He was charged with Rape in the First Degree of a woman old enough to consent, but he was still facing a real possibility of life behind bars.

The defense was that the sex was consensual. Despite the police, the DA's Office, and the grand jury believing that this was a rape case and my client deserved to spend the rest of his life in prison, the twelve jurors who heard the case at trial decided unanimously that there was consensual sex between the defendant and the alleged victim. Thus, there was no crime. Not guilty was the verdict. Rest assured, the two assistant DAs who tried the case were certain that my client was a rapist and was going to rot in prison. Instead, he is back home and going to his job again. What a fine line there is sometimes.

It is so easy to be accused of a crime. Being accused does not mean one is guilty.

It is far too easy to slip into vigilantism, especially when someone close to us makes a charge of a serious crime. It is best to let the legal system handle the matter. Otherwise, we would live in a wild west frontierland of "justice" by the gun. I seriously doubt that anyone calling for death in this thread really advocates that.

AS
 
I really feel that nothing less than a life (meaning his/her entire life!) sentence could be accepted as justice.
The victim is stuck with a life sentence, so to should the rapist be.
Sounds cliche but that's how I feel.

Toni
 
Ralph said:
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I think most state laws allow women to use deadly force to stop a rapist..even if he's unarmed. I'm sure someone will argue that "well...he didn't want to kill her--only rape her--it was wrong to shoot him".......but I know what I'd want one of my loved ones to do in that situation...............
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Generally speaking deadly force is justified if necessary to stop a felony that results in a substantial risk of death or serious bodily harm. Rape fits the bill, armed attacker or no.
 
You don't wanna go making jokes about it. Not even if you think your being funny- chances are your probably not. Even if your careful and you try and be all sensitive and not offend nobody, trust me, your audience may take it bad, and their apt to turn againt you something vicious.

Rape ain't nothing to go and joke about. Not now, not never!
 
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anyway, I had to testify in a rape trial once (for the defense!).

It was miserable, the girls were sincere, the three young men were scared. they were found guilty. I remember people being so mad at me because I dared to testify for them (I really didn't have a choice, but you better believe that I told the complete truth on the stand). Couldn't answer my phone without getting abuse, went on a long vacation. The emotions were intense and I wouldn't want to have been in the shoes of the jury (though I myself believe they were guilty). Rape bring up emotions that bring out the best and the worst in everyone.
 
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Out of curiosity, how come you registered in May, but six of your posts (out of seven at time of writing) have been in the last two days?
 
I think that's a very eloquent comment Tricky...


Broadening the death penalty to include more offences, broadens the opportunities for irreversible errors. The laws which are seen to protect criminals also protect the innocent...anyone can be wrongly accused.
 
All I wanted was for those 4 frat bastards who gang banged me to admit they did it. To admit they did wrong. To admit they locked the door and guarded it while one guy held me down and the others took turns. But no, it would mean confessing they did something wrong and then paying for that crime. Poor boys.

Well it's not going to happen. They got off. They got off and decided it was fun to follow me around campus as a group. So I had to switch schools.

To those guys, 6 years ago, I wasn't a person, I was a b*tch. I was a b*tch who squealed. And even if I didn't win, I'm glad I did that much. If I had it to do over again, I would use deadly force if I could. I have the feeling those boys had done something like this before, because they moved so efficiently. I would spare anyone in the future the trauma by taking the sin of killing onto myself, if I could.

But simply put, I do not. So, I have worked very hard to overcome the rapists inside of me. The memories, the pain, the feeling of being alone when my dad blamed me for being raped. I still work to overcome.

Even though they got away, they won't defeat me. I won't give in. They won't defeat me. Not inside, not outside; I will overcome them. I have to. For the sake of me and the me inside of me.

I am not who I was. I will be better.
 
Got away from what? Was there a trial?
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There was no trial.
The evidence kit that the hospital took, taking sperm and skin samples from my hair and nails, was contaminated. It was inadmissable. And the word of 1 girl against 4 guys. And then my dad even said I was to blame if it really happened. It was, I was told, at best a weak case.
 
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