Prediction - August 4th 2004

[davidhorman]

It's lottery day tomorrow. Bought a ticket yet, Luci?

David

 

[Cleopatra]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Prediction - August 4th 2004

I have been asked by fellow skeptics to present them here.

Fellow skeptics? Does this mean that you describe yourself as a skeptic? That is interesting. In that case I am sure that you understand that the process we follow in examining claims is sort of specific. Right?

'Vague' is a value judgement. For some, even a photograph is 'vague'.

It is a value judgement indeed generally speaking but when it comes to measures that should be taken in order to protect the general public then vague is definetly a flaw I am sure that you can see that.

I can only present what I percieve.

That's fair but when it comes to a danger that hides somewhere we expect more.

These perceptions come through guided, structured meditation sessions. In terms of morality, remember the context; they are only presented here, within a skeptics forum.

Yes your perceptions are presented in a skeptics forum but somebody who describes himself as a skeptic so you understand that this changes the picture dramatically.You know what I mean.

I have a question out of curiosity. I follow the Middle Eastern conflict since I was 16 and I have a personal involvement as well, judging by the news I read the last two days I have this strong feeling that something really bad will happen. Is this feeling of mine the same as yours? I mean shall I call it a "perception of a forthcoming danger"?

 

[EHocking]

Originally posted by EHocking
OK.... ahem.....

"Your deceased relatives still love you"

Where's my money?
Originally posted by Lothian
So a spiritualist but not a remote viewer.

[hmmmmpphhhhhh] OK - I've pushed my chair back away from the PC as far as the keyboard cable will stretch.

Is that remote enough to qualify?

 

[Lothian]

[hmmmmpphhhhhh] OK - I've pushed my chair back away from the PC as far as the keyboard cable will stretch.

Is that remote enough to qualify?

OK you win. You can collect it using telekinesis any time you want.

 

[Lucianarchy]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Prediction - August 4th 2004

I have a question out of curiosity. I follow the Middle Eastern conflict since I was 16 and I have a personal involvement as well, judging by the news I read the last two days I have this strong feeling that something really bad will happen. Is this feeling of mine the same as yours? I mean shall I call it a "perception of a forthcoming danger"?

Ms Cleo, you may call it what you wish. I have explained why I am recording them here. If you don't accept that explanation, then that's not a problem for me.

 

[Cleopatra]

Why you give up so easily on me Lucianarchy? Is it because you think that I do not deserve some of your time to explain to me certain things? Also this is not the only question I asked you.

 

[CFLarsen]

Lucianarchy,

Regarding this new prediction of yours that will happen on August 4th 2004:

• What "living systems" "consciously involved" are you talking about?
• What "participants" are "co-operative"?
• Do you get predictions, yes or no?
• Do these perceptions come through guided, structured meditation sessions, yes or no?

Please answer the questions. They are polite, reasonable, rational questions about a claim you have made.

 

[Lucianarchy]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Prediction - August 4th 2004

Fellow skeptics? Does this mean that you describe yourself as a skeptic? That is interesting. In that case I am sure that you understand that the process we follow in examining claims is sort of specific. Right?

Sorry, Cleo, I missed that one.

Yes I am most certainly a sceptic. In terms of being specific, Ms Cleo, may I remind you that I am only posting them here because I was asked to. I can only provide what is percieved. Why is that difficult for you?

 

[Lucianarchy]

Why you give up so easily on me Lucianarchy? Is it because you think that I do not deserve some of your time to explain to me certain things?

What do want explaining, Cleo?

 

[Lucianarchy]

Regarding CF Larsen:

Larsen has made a distinct claim about my IP address.

He made the claim that they are "similar".

Saying it is "not resolved" is just about the most stupid thing I have seen from him to date. He either has the evidence, or he hasn't.

A claim which he uses to suggest I am responsible for writing something particulalrly unpleasant about Randi.

Such a claim without evidence is completely dispicable.

Until Larsen removes the dispicable claim and apologises, he remains in contempt and dishonest.

 

[Cleopatra]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Prediction - August 4th 2004

Ms Cleo, may I remind you that I am only posting them here because I was asked to.

And what if posters of this forum ask you to go get drown in Thames? Do you get my drift? I understand that you were asked to post your predictions but you want to as well. Right?

I can only provide what is percieved. Why is that difficult for you?

This is crystal clear to me, what I do not understand though is how you don't see since you are a skeptic yourself that your predictions pose some problems. I am sure you know that and yet you decide to post them, how you bridge those two.

Also, I am interested to know how my funny feeling about a forthecoming tragedy in Middle East that is based on the daily reading of Press and stuff is similar or different to your perception. Where do we differ? Where our perceptions meet?

 

[Lucianarchy]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Prediction - August 4th 2004

And what if posters of this forum ask you to go get drown in Thames? Do you get my drift? I understand that you were asked to post your predictions but you want to as well. Right?

This is crystal clear to me, what I do not understand though is how you don't see since you are a skeptic yourself that your predictions pose some problems. I am sure you know that and yet you decide to post them, how you bridge those two.

Also, I am interested to know how my funny feeling about a forthecoming tragedy in Middle East that is based on the daily reading of Press and stuff is similar or different to your perception. Where do we differ? Where our perceptions meet?

I am happy either way to post them or not.

I am sceptical about the nature of transmission of info accross space/time. I have seen enough evidence and experienced enough significance myself to warrant further study. It does indeed appear to 'work', I have not yet seen a rational non-mundane explanation for the effect.

I would say you would be wise to follow your own feelings. I do not know where our perceptions meet or where we differ. Do you record and review your 'funny feelings'?

 

[Hellbound]

I am telling you the facts, Lisa, as reported by the likes of the BBC and other leading reporters, not some guy on an internet forum who wants be a friggen spider!

Does this mean that you want to be a bubble-head?

Mission accomplished, I'd say.

Since you make an issue of it, try checking the facts.

SGT Brister, Thaddeus B.
B Co, 489th ENG BN
Combat Medical Specialist, 91W20
Operating in support of 130th Engineers, later to 2nd Armored Calvary Division (Al Qaim), then 82nd Airborne Division (Al Fallujah).

I can show evidence that I was there, during the time period in question. I'm sure with the information above, others can check the data as well. I saw it first hand. You rely on the reports of a media that are more interested in the ratings than in truth.

No one is denying that the U.S> Government picked the council, or that the police operate (nominally) under the council.

However, this hardly makes them a "Western" target, any more than one could claim that China is a "Western" target because they are with us in trying to get North Korea to stop making nukes.

Not to mention that many of the Iraqis we discovered supplying weapons and targetting coordinates to terrorists were members of the Iraqi police. One member of the Iraqi police was caught with a mortar team, one of the groups that would shell our camp every night.

The Iraqi police are under the command of the council about tothe same degree that your local sheriff is under the command of Quantico. The local police units operated pretty much autonomously, and most of their orders came from the local mayor of the town they were in; not from the governing council in Bagdhad.

The only way you can fit your "prediction" of a western target to this event is to torture the meanings of words until they are meaningless; unless you mean western by "Anything west of Bagdhad."

"I predict that tomorrow afternoon will be brighter than the evening before" is a prediction as meaningful as yours. Yes, it is accurate, but, oddly enough, it's actually more useful than your vague ones. Even if you are actually seeing into the future, the level of accuracy you get makes such a talent completely and utterly worthless. What actions could we take based on your prediction? What possible changes could such vague information warrant?

None.

Meaningless, useless prediction.

Ya Bubblehead.

 

[TLN]

It does indeed appear to 'work', I have not yet seen a rational non-mundane explanation for the effect.

Your predictions are vague and could apply to a variety of situations. There, that's a mundane explanation.

You're also a proven liar who is not to be trusted. Therefore, the possibility exists that you cheat. Another mundane explanation.

In later posts you'll claim, yet again, that you've yet to see a rational explanation for these silly predictions of yours that are completely without value. But I would expect as much from someone who lies as often as you do.

Until you answer my unanswered question you are a knowing liar and are not to be trusted.

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19311&pagenumber=4

 

[TheBoyPaj]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Prediction - August 4th 2004

You know how it works:

You come up with an extremely vague "perception" that can fit anything.

Then you begin interpreting, misinterpreting and flat-out lie, claiming that you "succeeded".

You then go elsewhere and falsely claim to have been tested by the JREF, or other groups or organizations.

In case we have anyone new here, Claus is referring to this episiode where Luci tried to pass off some very average results in RV tests as impressive evidence of his ability (including my own test where his performance so far has been insignificant).

 

[Lucianarchy]

No one is denying that the U.S> Government picked the council, or that the police operate (nominally) under the council.

Indeed, and that is why they are not recognised by the Iraqi's loyal to Saddam Hussain. They see the US as the invading force, understandably. If you honestly don't think the rebel fighters see the IGC's puppet police station in Falluja as a 'Western target', then that's up to you.

 

[Hellbound]

Indeed, and that is why they are not recognised by the Iraqi's loyal to Saddam Hussain. They see the US as the invading force, understandably. If you honestly don't think the rebel fighters see the IGC's puppet police station in Falluja as a 'Western target', then that's up to you.

*chuckle*

If you can't understand that many of these "rebel fighters" (also read terrorists) are working in the police building, then that's your problem.

Bubblehead

 

[Beleth]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Prediction - August 4th 2004

It does indeed appear to 'work', I have not yet seen a rational non-mundane explanation for the effect.

Just for a moment, put yourself in our shoes, Luci, and look at yourself and your statements the way we see you.

Here we are; it's May 14, 2004, and the US is fighting Iraq, with all that that implies. You come along and say something that would not be too unexpected will happen on a certain day about 2 1/2 months from now.

That's the key. "Not unexpected." What you are saying will happen is not an everyday occurrence, but considering the state of the world, it's not surprising that something like that will happen that day.

Plus, c'mon, you gotta admit that what you are saying is really, really vague. As others have said, "an attack on a Western target" could be anything from another beheading video coming from Iraq to a dirty bomb going off in Paris.

So. Here you are, saying not only that something not-unexpected will happen on a certain day, but that you received this information from some mystical method that involves time travel. Meanwhile, the rest of us live in this mundane world where we can make not-unexpected predictions without needing time travel.

I'm not saying that you won't be correct. I'm saying, that from where we're standing, what you are saying is simply not very compelling. It's not compelling as a prediction, and the method by which you say you receive this information is not compelling as a method of communication.

I'm sorry.

 

[Lucianarchy]

*chuckle*

If you can't understand that many of these "rebel fighters" (also read terrorists) are working in the police building, then that's your problem.

Bubblehead

So they attacked Falluja police station, because....... ?

 

[Lucianarchy]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Prediction - August 4th 2004

Just for a moment, put yourself in our shoes, Luci, and look at yourself and your statements the way we see you.

Here we are; it's May 14, 2004, and the US is fighting Iraq, with all that that implies. You come along and say something that would not be too unexpected will happen on a certain day about 2 1/2 months from now.

That's the key. "Not unexpected." What you are saying will happen is not an everyday occurrence, but considering the state of the world, it's not surprising that something like that will happen that day.

Plus, c'mon, you gotta admit that what you are saying is really, really vague. As others have said, "an attack on a Western target" could be anything from another beheading video coming from Iraq to a dirty bomb going off in Paris.

So. Here you are, saying not only that something not-unexpected will happen on a certain day, but that you received this information from some mystical method that involves time travel. Meanwhile, the rest of us live in this mundane world where we can make not-unexpected predictions without needing time travel.

I'm not saying that you won't be correct. I'm saying, that from where we're standing, what you are saying is simply not very compelling. It's not compelling as a prediction, and the method by which you say you receive this information is not compelling as a method of communication.

I'm sorry.

No need for sorrow, Beleth. This one is another 'record' against which I can test significance. Like 'ladybrook', the tests I did for Koestler inst, the Fortean Times, and others personal to myself. The so-called RV 'effect' is subtle, small but repeatable. I remain sceptical as to the nature of the effect, to a third party I could indeed be just very 'lucky', however, my own experiences have confirmed that there is indeed some, as yet, unidentified, mode for information transmission which is not limited by our current understanding of time/space.