Prediction - August 4th 2004

Lucianarchy said:


I disagree. The Iraqi Governing Council, which currently controls and has authority for the police in Falluja, is a puppet of the USA. In this particular case, the BBC confirm the US involvement in Falluja:

"The BBC's Jonny Dymond in Baghdad reports that many of Iraq's neighbours are deeply unhappy about the continuing US-led occupation and some do not want to give legitimacy to the coalition-selected Governing Council. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3488149.stm

Uh huh, and what does that have to do with the Iraqi police department? The report from Huntsman said the US had almost nothing to do with the PD. The US involvement seems to be more on a national scale, as in your quote coalition-selected Governing Council, not coalition-backed police department.
 
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Nyarlathotep said:


But come on. You have to realize that there are degrees of vagueness. When you say "Something awful" is going to happen on such and such a date, it is SO vague that unless the world has the only day total peace and tranquility ever experienced in human history, that it can't help but be true. "Something Awful" could encompass anything from the destruction of all life as we know it down to someone getting a harsh beating, and just about anything in between.

There is vague and then there is so vague as to have no meaning whatsoever. Your "prediction" falls into the latter category.

My prediction is, that no matter what happens on August 4th, whether it be war, crime, terrorism, natural disaster or anything else remotely bad, you will sieze upon it as "proof" of your abilities. Completely oblivious that awful things happen everyday in the world.

I understand, but I can only provide what I percieve. The 'awful' aspect of the perception seemed to project over 100 casualties (death or serious injury). I really hope I am wrong. But the perception was strong.
 
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Lucianarchy said:
These perceptions come through guided, structured meditation sessions.

Can you describe that process in detail? And how these perceptions appear, what they are, etc.
 
Lisa Simpson said:


Uh huh, and what does that have to do with the Iraqi police department? The report from Huntsman said the US had almost nothing to do with the PD. The US involvement seems to be more on a national scale, as in your quote coalition-selected Governing Council, not coalition-backed police department.

lol! Are you serious? If you want to believe the IGC are not the invading forces puppets, then that's up to you.
 
Lucianarchy said:


lol! Are you serious? If you want to believe the IGC are not the invading forces puppets, then that's up to you.

For the "federal" government of Iraq, you bet I know it's a puppet government.

For the Iraqi PD, not so much. And we have a first hand account of US involvement with the very Iraqi police station that was attacked. Are you saying your knowledge of the situation in Iraq is greater than a person who was actually there?!?

BTW, Huntsman, feel free to jump back in here.
 
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Marian said:


Can you describe that process in detail? And how these perceptions appear, what they are, etc.

Sure. I'll put some time aside over the weekend if you want.

ITMT, if you go over to the Fortean Times forum and look for my posts over there, you will find some detail and method buried within. You may have to join first if you want to 'search'.

Best wishes.
 
Lisa Simpson said:


For the "federal" government of Iraq, you bet I know it's a puppet government.

For the Iraqi PD, not so much.


Oh, you are serious! Lisa, the police come under the control of the IGC. They are not recognised by the Iraqi's loyal to Saddam Hussain.
 
So apparently you do think you know more than someone who was there.

I give up. You are all knowing, all seeing...except when you aren't.
 
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Lucianarchy said:


I understand, but I can only provide what I percieve. The 'awful' aspect of the perception seemed to project over 100 casualties (death or serious injury). I really hope I am wrong. But the perception was strong.

Well, at least you ahve narrowed it down to something checkable. Even so, given the fact that the world averages 17 wars going on at any given time, plus assorted natural disasters, acts of terrorism, and so on, your prediction still isn't that impressive if it comes true. It's about like me predicting that there will be a massive wildfire going on in the Western US on that day. It's not GUARANTEED to be true, but it's so darn likely that no one should be surprised if it comes to pass.
 
Lucianarchy said:
I percieve that something awful will occur that day. An attack on a Western target (UK, USA, Europe).
I am grateful that you are not calling this a "prediction" because it is not.
 
Lisa Simpson said:
So apparently you do think you know more than someone who was there.

I am telling you the facts, Lisa, as reported by the likes of the BBC and other leading reporters, not some guy on an internet forum who wants be a friggen spider!

The IGC are puppets of the US/invading forces. They control the police. They are not recognised by the Iraqi's loyal to Saddam Hussain. Lisa, these are facts. Well known facts.
 
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Nyarlathotep said:


Well, at least you ahve narrowed it down to something checkable. Even so, given the fact that the world averages 17 wars going on at any given time, plus assorted natural disasters, acts of terrorism, and so on, your prediction still isn't that impressive if it comes true. It's about like me predicting that there will be a massive wildfire going on in the Western US on that day. It's not GUARANTEED to be true, but it's so darn likely that no one should be surprised if it comes to pass.

Actually, in terms of number of casualties in a western target, it is not likely to happen. There are many more days that such things don't happen. Horrific as they are, it does almost seem like they are almost happening every day. So let's hope and pray they continue not to happen.
 
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Lucianarchy said:


Actually, in terms of number of casualties in a western target, it is not likely to happen. There are many more days that such things don't happen. Horrific as they are, it does almost seem like they are almost happening every day. So let's hope and pray they continue not to happen.

It depends on how broadly you define 'western'. Since you consider the Iraqi police station in Fallujah a 'western' target, I think you define 'western' a lot more broadly than I would. Enabling you to make a hit out of almost anything.
 
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CFLarsen said:
If you do choose to play games with him, you will find that you have been abused.

Thanks for the advice.

However, since everybody in here knows he's a fraud, and the only ones that will ever belive that he have superpowers are either stupid or insane, I don't think that I have anything to lose really. But thanks anyway.
 
Lucianarchy said:
I percieve that something awful will occur that day. An attack on a Western target (UK, USA, Europe).

Also, as far as location goes...you've narrowed it down to UK, USA, and 'Europe'.

Europe is kinda vague (at least to me). Is it the EU nations? Western Europe only? ALL of Europe? What nations would that include or not include. Remember I am American and we're geographically challenged. ;) (Actually I am at any rate hehe)

PredictionMap842004.JPG


I took the liberty of coloring in the USA (hey, at least I know where that is ;D) I was wondering if you could indicate all the other locations as well. It would give a decent idea of the representitive land mass we're talking about here.

If you can't rehost it, just PM me and I'll give you my email where you can send the image (you can color it using MSPaint) and I'd be happy to host it. :)
 
Nigel said:
Two nations will go to war, but only one will win. There. Ain't that pretty specific?

When two countries go to war, there is no winner. That's pretty clear.
 
T'ai Chi said:


When two countries go to war, there is no winner. That's pretty clear.

I always loved how the Pythia (Oracle at Delphi) stated it when Croesus asked if he should attack Persia. "Croesus will destroy a great empire".

Too bad she left out which one. ;) Details, details!
 
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Beleth said:
I am grateful that you are not calling this a "prediction" because it is not.
Oops, I lied. You are calling this a prediction, up there in the subject line.

Trouble is, it isn't an interesting prediction. It ranks down there with "tomorrow the sun will rise." Even if something major happens on August 4th, it won't be an interesting prediction. But I don't suppose you will ever see it that way.
 
T'ai Chi said:


When two countries go to war, there is no winner. That's pretty clear.
I didn't tell where I got the line. It's from Woody Allen's "Without Feathers". The point was about the vaugeness of the current topic.
 
Lucianarchy said:
I have been asked by fellow skeptics to present them here. 'Vague' is a value judgement. For some, even a photograph is 'vague'. I can only present what I percieve. These perceptions come through guided, structured meditation sessions.

Oh?

(All quotes from this thread)

The psi effect works only through co-operation, that is why Randi has the "Out" in his challenge, a challenge is not co-operation.

...just the living systems which are consciously involved. You are more likely to get a positive result that way.

They were not consciously aware that they were being 'viewed'. This is crucial and perhaps one reason why it currently cannot be given any 'official' recognition. There are security issues involved here that may still take generations to be fully resolved.

The SAIC experiments have done this. They used the scientific method. All participants were co-operative.

I get impressions, perceptions not predictions.

How often? Often daily, but vague and the sort of thing which would not qualify as a lead in this forum, it would just generate ridicule and taunts. However, often I act on these leads in daily life and use them to positive effect. Spontaneous? Difficult to say really, yes, sometimes, like in this case, the information seems to come 'through' me - bolt from the blue so to speak. Usually a compelling seemingly important word or impression of something. These sorts of perceptions seem to be immiment forms of precognition and often occur within the same day. I can and do prepare myself for some work though and use meditation these days, directing my consciousness and visualising in what I see as a 'universal' point in space-time. I would add though, that my experience is that there needs to be a lot of what you might call 'spiritual fitness' and an understanding of free will and responsibility in order to develop the effect. If you think I would "record them here" after the kind of treatment I have experienced here, think again. It is exactly the sort of behaviour which stops many 'psychics' from coming forward, although I would suggest that if anyone is genuinely interested and has experienced an ability to either RV, precognition etc, to do yuor own research and follow the leads to the places which feel right to you. And be prepared to be skeptical of everything you may have been lead to believe before, have the humility to learn again. One thing I can say - like minds attract - have belief in yourself - and you will not go far wrong.
(On how often you get these precognitive/RVing insights)

So, regarding this new prediction of yours that will happen on August 4th 2004:

  • What "living systems" "consciously involved" are you talking about?
  • What "participants" are "co-operative"?
  • Do you get predictions, yes or no?
  • Do these perceptions come through guided, structured meditation sessions, yes or no?

Please answer the questions. They are polite, reasonable, rational questions about a claim you have made.
 

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