Prediction - August 4th 2004

[Cleopatra]

I percieve that something awful will occur that day. An attack on a Western target (UK, USA, Europe).

Let's analyze this for a bit.

Since antiquity predictions were used as tools in order to make decisions about the future or take necessary precautions to prevent human loses.

For the sake of people you must give it another try and be more specific. Interestingly you exclude Middle East from your prediction. Maybe you haven't heard the news as to what will happen in the period between 1 and 6 of August in the Occupied Territories.

 

[Quinn]

That prediction is way too vague, you're obviosly nothing but a fraud if you can't say anything more specific than that. I'm on to you Batman Jr.

I'll flesh out the prediction...

It's a birthday, yes, but I'm seeing some sort of controversy... something about the month before, like exactly one month earlier, and people being confused about that... something that maybe people used to believe, but it's been shown to be wrong... I'm seeing a grey-haired man talking about it on TV, trying to set things straight, talking about the same thing happening every year... is this making any sense?

 

[The Don]

Western target could refer both to the type of target and/or its location. As a result......

- Estonian embassy in Peru (HIT because it's a European target)
- Peruvian embassy in Estonia (HIT because it's a European location)
- Muslim school in Israel (HIT because it's a "Western Aligned" location)
- Israeli school in Papua New Guinea (HIT because it's a "Western Aligned" target)
- Iraqi school in Iraq (HIT because even though everyone involved is Iraqi - US presence in Iraq makes it a Western target)

About the only combination which wouldn't be a hit would be an attack in (say) Syria on (say) the Iranian embassy. Of course even this could be construed to be western if you consider the Iranians talking to the U.S. evidence of their Westernisation.

Possibly if a Syrian schoolgirl pulled another Syrian schoolgirl's pigtails - that *may* not be an attack with a Western target

 

[Jaggy Bunnet]

Possibly if a Syrian schoolgirl pulled another Syrian schoolgirl's pigtails - that *may* not be an attack with a Western target

Nope, pigtails are clearly an evil Western invention and therefore the attack is on a Western target (the pigtail) not a Syrian target (the girl). So even this is a hit.

 

[richardm]

Nope, pigtails are clearly an evil Western invention and therefore the attack is on a Western target (the pigtail) not a Syrian target (the girl). So even this is a hit.

Obviously you're correct: no true muslim would want to be associated with any part of a pig. Clearly a strike against the West.

 

[Ed]

Re: Re: Prediction - August 4th 2004

Originally posted by Cleopatra


Let's analyze this for a bit.

OK. Let me get a brew and I'll be right with you......OK begin

Since antiquity predictions were used as tools in order to make decisions about the future or take necessary precautions to prevent human loses.

Yes and due to the clear reality of such predictions over the centuries, every head of state, corporate executive and other powerful person has their own personal soothsayer. I believe that it is a Cabinet position in the US.

Another reason why this sort of stuff fails the sniff test. If there were an ounce of truth to it we would see it everywhere. A fact conviniently ignored by fools like luci and ian and others. The lack of ubiquity is enough to kill the idea. I am now waiting for a semi-literate statement about the church killing the growing woo market in the middle ages because it was communication with the evil one.

For the sake of people you must give it another try and be more pecific. Interestingly you exclude Middle East from your prediction. Maybe you haven't heard the news as to what will happen in the period between 1 and 6 of August in the Occupied Territories.

Cleo, do not try to engage. There is nothing on the other side. Hey, luci, do you believe in the power of prayer?

 

[Lucianarchy]

Re: Re: Prediction - August 4th 2004

For the sake of people you must give it another try and be more specific.

I wish I could, Cleopatra. However, I can only report what I percieve.

 

[CFLarsen]

Re: Re: Re: Prediction - August 4th 2004

I wish I could, Cleopatra. However, I can only report what I percieve.

Come now, that's very uncharacteristic of you.

You know how it works:

You come up with an extremely vague "perception" that can fit anything.

Then you begin interpreting, misinterpreting and flat-out lie, claiming that you "succeeded".

You then go elsewhere and falsely claim to have been tested by the JREF, or other groups or organizations.

(Unfortunately for you, skeptics have a nasty habit of showing up, providing evidence not only that your "predictions" are complete failures, you also cheat, lie and misrepresent)

 

[Cleopatra]

Re: Re: Re: Prediction - August 4th 2004

I wish I could, Cleopatra. However, I can only report what I percieve.

I wish you could too It drives me crazy when I know that there might be even one slight possibility to save lives of innocent people and yet we can't do it.

But I have a question. If the prediction is too vague why you make it? Don't you see the moral problem that rises here?

 

[Lucianarchy]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Prediction - August 4th 2004

I wish you could too It drives me crazy when I know that there might be even one slight possibility to save lives of innocent people and yet we can't do it.

But I have a question. If the prediction is too vague why you make it? Don't you see the moral problem that rises here?

I am happy not to post predictions. I have been asked to post these further perceptions by other members following 'ladybrook' .

But if you don't want to know about them, fine. I'll stop.

 

[TLN]

I am happy not to post predictions. I have been asked to post these further perceptions by other members following 'ladybrook' .

But if you don't want to know about them, fine. I'll stop.

None of this answers Cleo's question.

Here it is again so you can continue to ignore it:

But I have a question. If the prediction is too vague why you make it? Don't you see the moral problem that rises here?

 

[davidhorman]

However, I can only report what I percieve.

Really? I thought you could predict at least three out of six lottery numbers every week?

David

 

[Marian]

Lucianarchy, how do you come up with these predictions?

You used the word 'percieve' many times, I'm not sure what you mean by that term.

It seems to me to be weird that you could be so specific about a date in time, yet so vague about what, and where. But when...you can narrow down to a specific 24 hour period months away. So I'm just trying to understand how you obtained this information so specifically while everything else was so vague (vision, voices, etc).

 

[Thomas]

I percieve that something awful will occur that day. An attack on a Western target (UK, USA, Europe).

I can feel that you're right, Lucianarchy. I know you're not a fraud, because I have much experience in these matters in contrary to all these narrow-minded skeptics in here. I was wondering if you can help me, because I'm in pain - serious suffering.

I can't find my antipsychotics, can you please tell me where they are?

 

[Lisa Simpson]

Actually, I was about 5 miles away from this when it happened.

There were no US soldiers stationed at or near the police station.

The US had no liasons with the Iraqi police station.

We didn't visit the Iraqi police station.

We didn't provide direct support to the Iraqi police in the normal course of their duties.

The only time any US personnel visted the Iraqi police HQ was to turn over prisoners that we had captured and determined should be handled by local authorities, rather than US authorities.

The US has no direct authority over the Iraqi police, and they act pretty much autonomously.

Finally, seeing that I was stationed there, it seems odd that no one really, ever, talked much about this incident because, well, it was inconsequential when one looked at it. Both before and after it were attacks that involved more total people, more US personnel, and caused more damage.

If one can only predict the least significant events, what use is prediciton? There was nothing special about that day, or that attack..in fact, it was rather unremarkable given the history of the area before and after. Predicting a hot day in the summer is about as impressive.

Lucianarchy--

How do you respond to the above post? Obviously, I can't vouch for the veracity of Huntsman's account, but it is my impression from watching the news that he is correct. The Iraqi HQ was in no way, shape or form a Western target.

 

[Cleopatra]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Prediction - August 4th 2004

I am happy not to post predictions. I have been asked to post these further perceptions by other members following 'ladybrook' .

But if you don't want to know about them, fine. I'll stop.

No i am all for predictions. I keep predicting the creation of the Palestinian State for two years now but please if you wish explain to me this because it's important for me.

What's your opinion on the morality of a vague prediction? Can't you see a problem here and if not why is that?

 

[CFLarsen]

Re: Re: Prediction - August 4th 2004

I can feel that you're right, Lucianarchy. I know you're not a fraud, because I have much experience in these matters in contrary to all these narrow-minded skeptics in here. I was wondering if you can help me, because I'm in pain - serious suffering.

I can't find my antipsychotics, can you please tell me where they are?

A slight word of warning here.

Lucianarchy - the BigLiar - is apt to take these kinds of posts and abuse them for his own purposes. He has done it before, he will do it again. Normal rational thought does not apply to him.

Don't joke around the BigLiar. He will seek to be approved, even by those meaning to do the opposite. He will skew, he will lie, he will misrepresent, he will do anything to make it seem as if he has supernatural powers.

If you do choose to play games with him, you will find that you have been abused.

 

[Lucianarchy]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Prediction - August 4th 2004

What's your opinion on the morality of a vague prediction?

I have been asked by fellow skeptics to present them here. 'Vague' is a value judgement. For some, even a photograph is 'vague'. I can only present what I percieve. These perceptions come through guided, structured meditation sessions. In terms of morality, remember the context; they are only presented here, within a skeptics forum.

 

[Nyarlathotep]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Prediction - August 4th 2004

I have been asked by fellow skeptics to present them here. 'Vague' is a value judgement. For some, even a photograph is 'vague'. I can only present what I percieve. These perceptions come through guided, structured meditation sessions. In terms of morality, remember the context; they are only presented here, within a skeptics forum.

But come on. You have to realize that there are degrees of vagueness. When you say "Something awful" is going to happen on such and such a date, it is SO vague that unless the world has the only day total peace and tranquility ever experienced in human history, that it can't help but be true. "Something Awful" could encompass anything from the destruction of all life as we know it down to someone getting a harsh beating, and just about anything in between.

There is vague and then there is so vague as to have no meaning whatsoever. Your "prediction" falls into the latter category.

My prediction is, that no matter what happens on August 4th, whether it be war, crime, terrorism, natural disaster or anything else remotely bad, you will sieze upon it as "proof" of your abilities. Completely oblivious that awful things happen everyday in the world.

 

[Lucianarchy]

Lucianarchy--

How do you respond to the above post? Obviously, I can't vouch for the veracity of Huntsman's account, but it is my impression from watching the news that he is correct. The Iraqi HQ was in no way, shape or form a Western target.

I disagree. The Iraqi Governing Council, which currently controls and has authority for the police in Falluja, is a puppet of the USA. In this particular case, the BBC confirm the US involvement in Falluja:

"The BBC's Jonny Dymond in Baghdad reports that many of Iraq's neighbours are deeply unhappy about the continuing US-led occupation and some do not want to give legitimacy to the coalition-selected Governing Council. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3488149.stm