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Pizzagate

Porpoise of Life said:
If someone brings you an oddly shaped pinecone and claims it's unicorn poop, you don't analyze the DNA of the pinecone, and you don't go into the woods looking for hoof prints.
You tell the person to come up with something better or retract their claim.
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If a sufficient number of people believe it´s unicorn poop and there´s the risk that they may take up... magical swords, (I guess, in this metaphor) and kill someone because of it, you might want to analyze the DNA, after all..
 
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Abooga said:
What to do? Dismiss it as nonsense, stop talking about it, like some people seem to want to do in this forum?
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Nothing even rising to the level of innuendo has been presented, so the claim has been dismissed. When something is dismissed there is no need to keep talking about it.

Or check the "claims", look for false data, point out the lack of real proof etc.

You decide.
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Already done.

This is the equivalent of the D&D = Satanism craze of the 80s. With less evidence, and more potential for actual people to get hurt.
 
Slowvehicle said:
Once you have made it clear that your entire supposition of dirty deeds is based on no evidence (not even any "evidence"), what is left to talk about?
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Posts like 628 and 624 for example. That kind of thing I had in mind.


Slowvehicle said:
Which has been done. Did you notice?
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Yes. There have been a few posts like that. Too few like them and too many ad-homs and posts asking about my "ulterior motives", about what´s the point of all this etc.
 
Abooga said:
If a sufficient number of people believe it´s unicorn poop and there´s the risk that they may take up... magical swords, (I guess, in this metaphor) and kill someone because of it, you might want to analyze the DNA, after all..
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Why do you think that the people who believe that everybody who disagrees with them is part of a cover-up, and who invent 'evidence' out of thin air would trust an official report?

We have a never ending thread on the Shroud of Turin on this forum. There is a poster who alternately argues that the tests done on the Shroud prove it is 1st Century, when confronted with this lie he switches to 'the dating is wrong', and when it is explained that this is not true and why he switches to 'the evidence was tampered with by sinister forces' or 'but why wouldn't it be real, I don't think you've ever shown me any evidence'.
Lather, rinse, repeat.

The correct response is not to keep indulging people who won't listen, and to keep feeding their delusions by giving them attention they don't deserve.

If something is obviously nonsense, tell them to put up or shut up.
 
Abooga said:
If a sufficient number of people believe it´s unicorn poop and there´s the risk that they may take up... magical swords, (I guess, in this metaphor) and kill someone because of it, you might want to analyze the DNA, after all..
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No. It does not matter how many people "believe" it's unicorn poop; until actual evidence for the existence of unicorns is offered, there is no reason, none, to consider that an object demonstrably a pine cone is the scat of a mythical (and biologically impossible) beast...

What is needed is practice in critical thinking.
 
Abooga said:
If a sufficient number of people believe it´s unicorn poop and there´s the risk that they may take up... magical swords, (I guess, in this metaphor) and kill someone because of it, you might want to analyze the DNA, after all..
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That would be foolish, because the response would be:

'Well maybe that one isn't unicorn poop, but it's the totality of pinecones! Look here's another, why don't you analyze this one!"

There are thousands and thousands of supposed pieces of evidence and it takes far more time and energy for a rational person to DNA test a pinecone than it does for an idiot to pick up another one and insist that this one really looks like unicorn poop.

Earlier in this thread, users here spent time explaining supposed "evidence" and each reasonable explanation was ignored and met with a new piece of "evidence". When there's no standard, the supply is endless.
 
Abooga said:
Posts like 628 and 624 for example. That kind of thing I had in mind.
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...did you pursue any of those suggestions? it seems, instead, that you merely keep ringing the "weird innit" changes...

Abooga said:
Yes. There have been a few posts like that. Too few like them and too many ad-homs and posts asking about my "ulterior motives", about what´s the point of all this etc.
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How may times should a cry of "wolf" disrupt all before it becomes transparent?

What issues do you, personally, feel are unresolved?

ETA: If you feel the MA has been violated, you should report the specific posts.
 
Abooga said:
What to do? Dismiss it as nonsense, stop talking about it, like some people seem to want to do in this forum?

Or check the "claims", look for false data, point out the lack of real proof etc.

You decide.
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It's been checked. There IS NO MEAT TO THE ACCUSATION. What do you want us to do with nothing? Stop posting stuff here and calling it weird. Go on the forums or venues where you pick up this stuff and fight the ignorance with facts.
 
Abooga said:
If a sufficient number of people believe it´s unicorn poop and there´s the risk that they may take up... magical swords, (I guess, in this metaphor) and kill someone because of it, you might want to analyze the DNA, after all..
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To what end? Conspiracy-minded people don't actually care about the evidence, as the 9/11 subforum has shown amply. They care about their conclusion. Showing them DNA evidence just results in saying that the scientists are in on it.
 
Argumemnon said:
To what end? Conspiracy-minded people don't actually care about the evidence, as the 9/11 subforum has shown amply. They care about their conclusion. Showing them DNA evidence just results in saying that the scientists are in on it.
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"But it might really be the Holy Hanky unicorn poop! How can you be so blind, unless you are IN on it, too?!?!"
 
Abooga said:
If a sufficient number of people believe it´s unicorn poop and there´s the risk that they may take up... magical swords, (I guess, in this metaphor) and kill someone because of it, you might want to analyze the DNA, after all..
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The experience of the 9/11 forum suggests that analyzing the DNA simply won't work; the people who want to believe in unicorns will simply reject the report on the grounds that one of the technicians handling the samples lives within two hundred metres of a pine tree so there's a chance that the results were contaminated with extraneous DNA, that unicorns are able to modify the DNA in their poop to avoid detection, that the government has ulterior motives to hide the existence of unicorns from the general public because of something incomprehensible to do with Bohemian Grove, that DNA doesn't even exist, or whatever bizarre nonsense they choose to bolster their belief systems. Evidence doesn't tend to dispel belief systems that aren't evidence based.

Dave
 
marplots said:
I'm getting a serious "bible code" vibe here.
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I'm getting more of a "sitting in a dimly-lit room staring at a wall with dozens of maps and photos and diagrams connected by different colored strings, muttering incoherently" vibe myself...
 
Argumemnon said:
What what?

What part of the post confuses you? The part where I tell you flat out that you can stop pretending not to give benefit of the doubt to the CT side, or the part where I tell you to stop pretending not to believe in the CT?
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Read again.

"It could be. I welcome prosaic explanations. That´s precisely why I´m posting these things here, however unbelievable it seems, for some of you."

Meaning: however unbelievable it seems, for some of you, that I welcome prosaic explanations. This is getting tedious.
 
Abooga said:
Read again.

"It could be. I welcome prosaic explanations. That´s precisely why I´m posting these things here, however unbelievable it seems, for some of you."

Meaning: however unbelievable it seems, for some of you, that I welcome prosaic explanations. This is getting tedious.
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Yeah, here's the problem: I don't believe you. Call it cynicism from experience.
 
OK, I have to take a break now, I´ll be back later and try to articulate again why I think demands for evidence of the same form that would be acceptable to prove other things is not expectable in the case of CT-s. That it´s more like a crime scene investigation where you suspect someone has been tampering with the evidence. But later.

Meanwhile let me point you to my post 616, (the number of the beast, weird innit? :D), I don´t think anyone has noticed it... any thoughts?
 
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