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Merged Peace President invades Venezuela,/U.S. Forces Capture Maduro

Ziggurat said:
Am I wrong? Did he get us into war during his first term?

Nope. I was correct about that.
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I don't recall saying otherwise, so congrats on being right about something no one disputed.

Ziggurat said:
Are we in a war now? Not really. You're worried we might get into a war because of this, but this ain't war yet. Just like the strike on Iran wasn't really war either. There was a lot of fear that our strike on Iran would turn into a war, but it didn't. The fears of that were misplaced.
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"Not really" doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

Trump has gotten us into wars by the same standard you used to claim that Obama did. We just invaded a sovereign nation to implement regime change. That's far more war-like than anything Obama did, who, again, you claimed got us into a war.

These clowns renamed the Department of Defense the Department of War, so it's not like they're trying to hide it.

Ziggurat said:
You have no principles other than hostility to anything not hard left.
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Flailing nonsense from someone conclusively proven to be full of ◊◊◊◊.

MAGA cultists 2023/24: War bad. Trump no make war. Trump good.
MAGA cultists 2025/26: War good. Trump make war. Trump good.
 
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Jack by the hedge said:
Or perhaps the US military got messages to the right people in the Venezuelan military explaining that any defensive actions by them would be treated to overwhelming unpleasantness, and it might be better for everyone if they appeared to be taken by surprise as token attacks would be made, and then nobody need get hurt, the inevitable would happen anyway and at the end of it they could still have a military and thus a career.
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Doubt it, how could they guarantee that every unit would stand down?
 
theprestige said:
What gets me is how fast the Venezuelan military folded. Maduro must have had the softest praetorians in the western hemisphere.
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It was an in and out raid, apart from 40 people in Maduro's bodyguard and staff the military weren't involved.
Let's see what happens when American ground troops land at the airfields and docks and move in to the cities and oil fields to take over.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Doubt it, how could they guarantee that every unit would stand down?
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Opinion I've seen over on the Scrutable forum says it's really the army which calls the shots, so if the US says Maduro has to go then they're the people to strike a deal with.

Trump probably doesn't care who's in the president's office so long as the oil money flows so if the army want Maduro's deputy then Trump's support for the opposition can melt away like snow., from "70% support" to "she hasn't got the support".

IDK if this is true but it would likely mean the air strikes were a token and the abduction unopposed. It would also explain a lack of US boots on the ground taking charge of things.
 
Reporter: Who’s in charge of Venezuela right now? Have you spoken to the newly sworn in President?

Trump: We’re dealing with the people who just got sworn in. Don’t ask me who is in charge because I’ll give you an answer and it will be very controversial.

Reporter: What does that mean?

Trump: We’re in charge

https://twitter.com/x/status/2007977504666173697
 
Andy_Ross said:
Reporter: Who’s in charge of Venezuela right now? Have you spoken to the newly sworn in President?

Trump: We’re dealing with the people who just got sworn in. Don’t ask me who is in charge because I’ll give you an answer and it will be very controversial.

Reporter: What does that mean?

Trump: We’re in charge

https://twitter.com/x/status/2007977504666173697
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So it was a coup. Good to know.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Gasparino: It's going to be funny to see the reaction of the American left…how will they rationalize hating lower oil prices and lower gas prices?

https://twitter.com/x/status/2007955116968812544
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Idiot.
T can't even get the big companies to take up much of the newly opened leases here... they sure aren't going to be upgrading the installations there just for their sulphur rich heavy sour.
What does that make anyway... fuel oil?
Not gas or diesel AIUI.

This little escapade isn't going to lower prices at the pump. 🤨
 
Jim_MDP said:
Idiot.
T can't even get the big companies to take up much of the newly opened leases here... they sure aren't going to be upgrading the installations there just for their sulphur rich heavy sour.
What does that make anyway... fuel oil?
Not gas or diesel AIUI.

This little escapade isn't going to lower prices at the pump. 🤨
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Who is going to buy it?

Or...

When are the scumbag robber baron oil companies going to sell these newly thieved oil facilities for a profit?
 
Also, at this time, I would not be putting any faith in the veracity of anything coming out of the mouth of the current President of the USA.

First, he isn't running this show, his trillionaire patrons in the shadows behind him are. Trump is just a useful idiot and front, doing whatever they whisper to him.

Second, Trump has no ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ clue what is happening. He just says whatever comes into his hair-filled skull to fill dead air on camera. He really doesn't care what he says, as long as it is him speaking and being fawned upon.
 
Trump says US is in charge of Venezuela.
If that means US troops on the ground, we will have another Vietnam Iraq on out hands.

I have nothing but comtempt for Maduro, but now Trump will feel embolden to do this again until he gets us into World War 3, I am afriad.
 
smartcooky said:
Just to be clear, this part...

Maduro stole the election in 2024 from the opposition, who won at least 70% of the votes​

... is actually the truth.

www.journalofdemocracy.org

How Maduro Stole Venezuela’s Vote | Journal of Democracy

Nicolás Maduro brazenly stole Venezuela’s 2024 presidential election, despite a free, fair, and transparent ballot count that showed a clear opposition victory. Why would an autocrat want to maintain…
www.journalofdemocracy.org www.journalofdemocracy.org
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Maduro is a thug,pure and simple, but that does not make Trump's action any less dangerous and outrageous.
I predict it iwll not be long before the US body bags start coming home. Our nation building has worked so well in the past.
The big take away should be obvious; Internatinal law is ineffective. any law with no real ability for enforcement is always a joke. People here won't like to hear this, but it is the truth. And lots of yelling does not constiture enforcement.

smartcooky said:
MY ONLY CONCERN was with what @johnny karate posted - i.e. he implied @jt512's statement that Maduro stole the election is a lie....




...it is not. That bit needed correction.

Let me make this clear - I do not support what The Fat Orange Turd did. It does nothing to advance the welfare of ordinary Venezuelans and it was definitely illegal - contrary to International Law and the UN Charter. However, it is possible for two different things to be true at the same time...

1. It is true that the removal of Maduro, in and of itself, is a good thing.
2. It is true that the way it was achieved is a bad thing.

This is the centrist position, but the problem with the tribal nature of politics at this time is that all the cultists retreat into their entrenched positions and won't budge - the left wing cultists argue that both 1 & 2 are bad (or rather that 2 being bad makes 1 bad), the right wing cultists argue that both 1 & 2 are good (or rather that 1 being good makes 2 good). When this happens, the truth & the facts become casualties. The cultists on both sides need to recognize those truths & facts as truths even if it conflicts with their narratives.
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THIS.THIS.THIS.
The US "running the country" is going to work about as well as the US Runnning Vietnam and Iraq worked.
I give three months, at the latest, before gueriila warfare starts. Many of the Anti Maduro people will turn on the US on the basis of 'New BOss, same as the old BOSS.
Problem is too many people have such huge ideological blinkers that it totally distorths theri view of reality.
And trying to make Maduro some kind of revolutionary Saint a la Che Guevera will backfire.
Franky, when it comes it otherwise intelligent people making fools of themselves, Religion takes second place to Political Ideology.
 
8enotto said:
Under the Gulf of Mexico is a huge oil deposit. As it gets emptied the edge toward Mexico became dry causing Mexico to invest in deep water drill rigs to get a share.

The US and Venezuela are the biggest draws on it and during the Bush Jr year it was cheaper for the US to buy it from Venezuela than run its own platforms. Despite a heap of hate going both ways big oil was busy hauling it to Texas as fast as possible. Thus literally supporting the very dictator they "hated". Later US presidents did too because it kept US petroleum prices in control. Including trimps first term.

That was reported ten years ago in Mexican news. The shallow water rigs Mexico owns are pretty much done now.

Trimp just eliminated the middle man. If oil money is the end game this will do absolutely nothing to restore democracy or wealth to Venezuela. It will dry them of it faster than Maduro did.
They're screwed worse if this goes far.

This is not good. I am not sure of a good plan but anything to do with trimp and his goons isn't it.
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Oh, it will not be long before the Guerilla war starts.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Reporter: Who’s in charge of Venezuela right now? Have you spoken to the newly sworn in President?

Trump: We’re dealing with the people who just got sworn in. Don’t ask me who is in charge because I’ll give you an answer and it will be very controversial.

Reporter: What does that mean?

Trump: giraffe
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You are my puppet

In an interview with The Atlantic on Sunday, Trump said of Rodríguez: "If she doesn't do what's right, she is going to pay a very big price, probably bigger than Maduro."

He added that for Venezuela,"Regime change, anything you want to call it, is better than what you have right now. Can't get any worse"

www.bbc.co.uk

Trump warns new Venezuelan leader as Maduro set to appear in court

Trump said Venezuela's interim president Delcy Rodríguez could "pay a very big price, probably bigger than Maduro" if she "doesn't do what's right".
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
theprestige said:
Colombia is already a US ally. Its military already gets US training and US equipment to fight narcoterrorists within its borders. The Colombian government isn't the problem.
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Greenland and Denmark are also allies. Greenland lets the US base whatever military forces and early warning systems there the US requires. Greenland has no "narcoterrorists".

Greenland isn't a problem, yet still, somehow, it's a problem.
 
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