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Merged Peace President invades Venezuela,/U.S. Forces Capture Maduro

Helen said:
Ah yes. "A temporary basis." Very reassuring. Always worked out really well, historically.

Oh, it does, does it? How does that work for China, then? No, can't take Taiwan, the mighty Trump stands in our way.
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Which do you think is more likely: China will attack Taiwan if it doesn't think the U.S. will come to Taiwan's defense or if it thinks that the US will come to Taiwan's defense?
Helen said:
And Putin must be quaking in his boots, and planning an immediate withdrawal from Ukraine.
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Could you even try to have a serious conversation?

Putin annexed Crimea on Obama's watch, did nothing during Trump's first presidency, and the launched a full-scale war against Ukraine after Biden was elected. Why? Because Putin only tries to gain territory when he is confident that the U.S. will not respond militarily. Yeah, Putin is worried about what Trump could do, and he's more worried today than he was yesterday.
Helen said:
No. You have given your opinion, nit an explanation, but it's fine; we do know why he did. He's not exactly shy about why it was done.
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It's been a pleasure, as always, having a rational discussion with a TDS sufferer.
 
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I wonder if The Fat Orange Turd will get into a flight suit, place himself on the flight deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln off the coast of Florida and declare "Mission Accomplished"?

Oh, wait. They don't make flight suits in XXXL sizes!
 
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jt512 said:
Which do you think is more likely: China will attack Taiwan if it doesn't think the U.S. will come to Taiwan's defense or if it thinks that the US will come to Taiwan's defense?

Could you even try to have a serious conversation?

Putin annexed Crimea on Obama's watch, did nothing during Trump's first presidency, and the launched a full-scale war against Ukraine after Biden was elected. Why? Because Putin only tries to gain territory when he is confident that the U.S. will not respond militarily. Yeah, Putin is worried about what Trump could do, and he's more worried today than he was yesterday.

It's been a pleasure, as always, having a rational discussion with a TDS sufferer.
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Annexation of Taiwan would take as long as the annexation of Crimea did - there is nothing the US can do or say to prevent it.
Trump has already given up pretending to care by moving all naval assets to Israel or Venezuela.
 
It's also opened the way to let China 'help' North Korea to re install the legitimate government for the whole of Korea should they want to.

And I'm still not sure HOW the US is going to use the Venezuelan oil.
All that happened in the country was that 40 people were murdered for doing their jobs and the name of the top person has changed.
 
jt512 said:
Maduro stole the election in 2024 from the opposition, who won at least 70% of the votes. Maybe now that the U.S. has deposed him, the Venezuelan people will, for the first time in more than two decades of living under criminal dictators, actually be able to decide for themselves.
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Perhaps like Iraq.
"We will be welcomed as liberators."
"Mission accomplished."

So, just out of curiosity, who's running Venezuela today and when are they planning to hold fresh elections?
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Perhaps like Iraq.
"We will be welcomed as liberators."
"Mission accomplished."

So, just out of curiosity, who's running Venezuela today and when are they planning to hold fresh elections?
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Trump has already said there will be no elections in the short term, and anyone who gets the job will have to be someone Trump approves and who will allow USA companies to extract and profit from the oil.
 
Dr.Sid said:
They will learn soon. But to be fair, the country will mostly likely be better off without Maduro. That's not the issue. Issue is blatant disregard of both international and US law. US president can do a lot of things. He can't however use armed forces without congress approval, and no, this cannot be classed under war on terror.
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Wouldn't be too sure about that. The opposition are the same people (or their children) who were running the country as a near dictatorship before Chavez was elected; and they had the country in a worse state than it is now.
 
Again, why exactly would the current Venezuelan regime, which still has full support of the military, police and judiciary (because those are all led by loyalists and paid better than anyone else), fold now?
Trump et al. are acting as if they are playing a computer game or bad action movie where taking out the leader means you won, everything is yours now.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Who is going to buy this Venezuelan oil if the biggest customers - Russia, China and Cuba - are going to be excluded?

USA? Already has a surplus (apparently...)

Europe? Does Norway know?

Saudi Arabia? ...seriously?
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Well, if the Saudis sell theirs to the US, and the US sell theirs to the Saudis, it's what they call a win-win situation, isn't it? It is, isn't it?
 
jt512 said:
Which do you think is more likely: China will attack Taiwan if it doesn't think the U.S. will come to Taiwan's defense or if it thinks that the US will come to Taiwan's defense?

Could you even try to have a serious conversation?

Putin annexed Crimea on Obama's watch, did nothing during Trump's first presidency, and the launched a full-scale war against Ukraine after Biden was elected. Why? Because Putin only tries to gain territory when he is confident that the U.S. will not respond militarily. Yeah, Putin is worried about what Trump could do, and he's more worried today than he was yesterday.

It's been a pleasure, as always, having a rational discussion with a TDS sufferer.
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Obama did not attack Russia because the US has always had a policy of no direct conflict with Russia. Unlike 2022, Ukraine was not capable of defending itself due to many years of Russian interference in it's political system. Sanctions were imposed and Russia read removed from the G8. Trump wants to readmit Russia to the G8.
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
There is also the simple fact that the entire apparatus that kept Maduro in power is still there.
Trump acts as if the county has surrendered after his act of war.
But it is far more likely the next in line will step up.
If I were their government I'd prepare for the invasion by seeking to kill as many US soldiers as possible when they invade, then go for guerrilla warfare as the US cannot win against that.
In the meantime rig all the oil installations to blow so the US cannot use them anytime soon.
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Exactly what I would do.
Leave the Invading Americans absolutely nothing.
Start a guerilla war and kill as many Americans as possible.
They will give up and go away in humiliation like they did in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.

An occupation will not survive the flow of body bags.
 
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jt512 said:
Maduro stole the election in 2024 from the opposition, who won at least 70% of the votes. Maybe now that the U.S. has deposed him, the Venezuelan people will, for the first time in more than two decades of living under criminal dictators, actually be able to decide for themselves.
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Except Donald has already said the US Army and oil companies will be in charge.

How long do you think the celebration will last when the US takes all the oil and money and starts shooting people?
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Perhaps like Iraq.
"We will be welcomed as liberators."
"Mission accomplished."

So, just out of curiosity, who's running Venezuela today and when are they planning to hold fresh elections?
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I have been told by Harry Belafonte that Matilda run Venezuela. Don't know who she is, though. Or he, possibly, if Matilda is his last name. I very much admired Mr. Belafonte as a child, and do not think he'd have lied to me, so there you have it; Matilda run Venezuela.
 
A BBC lunch news report has said that this supposed anti-narcotics operation, is just a cover for the US to gain control of Venezuela's oil.
 
Andy_Ross said:
From November

“A clan of pedophiles wants to destroy our democracy. To keep Epstein's list from coming out, they send warships to kill fishermen & threaten our neighbor with invasion for their oil."
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Oh look, another narco commie doesn't like Trump.
 
Nessie said:
A BBC lunch news report has said that this supposed anti-narcotics operation, is just a cover for the US to gain control of Venezuela's oil.
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it’s hard to walk away with any other conclusion after hearing trump’s own explanation of the situation
 
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saying this the week of the jack smith deposition on trump’s election fraud attempt makes the chicken little line sound like a huge cope
 
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Reuters reported, "Venezuela is unlikely to see any meaningful boost to crude output for years even if U.S. oil majors do invest the billions of dollars in the country that President Donald Trump promised just hours following Nicolás Maduro's capture by U.S. forces. The South American country may have the world's largest estimated oil reserves, but output has plummeted over the past decades amid mismanagement and a lack of investment from foreign firms after Venezuela nationalized oil operations in the 2000s that included the assets of Exxon Mobil (XOM.N), and ConocoPhillips (COP.N),..."
 
dirtywick said:
saying this the week of the jack smith deposition on trump’s election fraud attempt makes the chicken little line sound like a huge cope
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I'm sure it does, to you. So how will you respond if elections happen as normal? Will you actually rethink anything?
 
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