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Chicken....Soup...Ninja...School...Fire

Yeah!!!! Did that mean anything??? Help me here...



One thing I have noted reading this thread, some people seem to think that communication is a language. Communication is not a language. I don't speak COMMUNICATION, but I do communicate using a language. Did anyone else catch this or was it just me?

Or perhaps some people just use very heavy handed sarcasm. And, no, sarcasm is not a language either.

Norm
 
ferj i can prove your psychic powers and you can help me fot the mdc,eirik i'm waiting for your answer
 
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Chicken....Soup...Ninja...School...Fire

Yeah!!!! Did that mean anything??? Help me here...



One thing I have noted reading this thread, some people seem to think that communication is a language. Communication is not a language. I don't speak COMMUNICATION, but I do communicate using a language. Did anyone else catch this or was it just me?


My apologies for quoting this post in the way I did previously. I don't believe I understood its intent.
 
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ferj i can prove your psychic powers and you can help me fot the mdc,eirik i'm waiting for your answer

Sorry, answer for what? I was initially happy with volunteering, but there has to be some sorts of controls. Read Chillzeros posts on this, please. There are suggested protocols. Have you read and understood them? Are they acceptable for you, and which do you prefer? It will not take long answering these questions. Good luck.
 
i'm ok with the protocol of chillzero,give the day and the time of the test
 
I came to this thread and thought I would read it from the start and see if I could sincerely help this claimant out. After all, being a claimant myself, perhaps I could offer something of a different perspective that could be of real value. But this is tricky.

abr,
Hi how are you. Nice that you are talking to us about getting help to get toward a paranormal test. The fact that your English is poor is a big problem because clear communication is key when working together with people and especially since a paranormal test is really a scientific test. It seems to me that when you are reading our posts here you are only picking up on key words that you know and you don't get the full message or what is implied. Do you have any friends who speak good English who could help you with your communications here? Someone who can help you read and write here?

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I am a paranormal claimant with all kinds of claims. I can send and receive words and also pictures to my boyfriend, but it is me who does all the work for both of us. :D Do you think you would have a friend who you know with whom you could practice your skill? Even if you think you are already good at your telepathy I think you should practice closer to home. Also, I have a good advice for you, have you ever tried sending imagery of animals? It is the one I am absolute best at. An animals has a shape, the texture such as fur or smooth cool scales, a nose, and all kinds of details so you are sending many types of information: shape, color, feeling, all at once. It is much easier and works much more often. Oh, my boyfriend is also good at distinguishing tools. You know, men? Try with a friend, close to home. And try with pictures.
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There are easy ways to check for yourself how good your skills are. And I agree with ferj, both sender and receiver of telepathy should have an aptitude to it. So, if you want, you can try to send words or maybe pictures to me. But you must follow a test procedure that was suggested by Pixel42 or Cuddles!

By Cuddles:
Equipment required -
1*abr
1*moderator
1*volunteer
1*6-sided die
1*internet

1) MC picks 6 sentences of 10 words each, from a book for example.
2) The sentences are posted publically in a numbered list.
3) MC rolls a standard six-sided die and sends the matching sentence to abr in a PM.
4) abr sends sentence psychically to reciever.*
5) Reciever PMs MC the number of the sentence he has recieved.
6) Steps 1-4 are repeated 10 times using different sets of sentences.
7) Profit!

It is important that there can be no communication between abr and the volunteer at all (other than psychically of course). Since it would be extremely easy for abr to simply PM the volunteer, or talk to them outside the forum, the volunteer would need to be just as trusted as the MC.
Since this would be a very basic preliminary test, there is no set level for passing. I would consider 3/10 or more to be interesting, but given the lack of decent controls even 10/10 wouldn't really prove anything.​

Do you like this suggested test protocol? Can you agree with it? If so, then you and me will agree on a time when you will send me the words or the pictures. But you must follow protocol. And don't be sending me stuff all the time, I have to focus on classes. You will not receive any money if you are successful with this long-distance telepathy with me. The only thing I can offer is to verify by my name the results that take place between you and I. My name might not mean much in these parts, but it's a start. If you fail the test with me of course I will have to tell everyone in the JREF Forums that. You will not win any money if you succeed with me.

So, can I volunteer? I will of course be the receiver. If you were to ask me to send to you, then that'd be my challenge. :rolleyes:
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And if I do a telepathy MDC Challenge one very far away distant day after several repeated and compellingly successful trials at home the receiver will be none other than my boyfriend. And I will send him images of cute little animals. :p
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I am sincerely interested in helping you toward reaching a final conclusion regarding your claimed ability, and I am not a competitor for the million dollar prize. :)
 
Oh no.

Abr, i recommend you don't feed the troll. It would be devastating to your case.
 
eirik said:
Abr, i recommend you don't feed the troll. It would be devastating to your case.
eirik, I have good intentions with paranormal claimant abr. I am thinking that if he is given an honest attempt at sending telepathic information and I present the results here, and we are of course most likely to expect a result indicating no telepathic ability on his part, then at least his inquiry would make some progress and would maybe ease his mind.

I conceive that a simple preliminary trial such as these would be easy to set up and I volunteered as both a skeptic and also as a fellow claimant.

Please don't call me a "troll". My own paranormal claim is the description of a genuine, not to say necessarily paranormal, experience, and I don't think I have been behaving like one. So, please.

Hej i Norge förresten, jag är från Sverige!
[=Hello to Norway by the way, I am from Sweden!]
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Well, I just subscribed to this thread.

The only thing that would make it better is if a dowser came into the thread to help with protocols.
 
I conceive that a simple preliminary trial such as these would be easy to set up and I volunteered as both a skeptic and also as a fellow claimant.

Excellent. Design a protocol for testing via the Board, and recommend it. After all he accepted chillzero's not even stated protocol once, and has accepted other suggested protocols, including several at once. without stating which one he agreed to So he will certainly accept a real one.

As soon as he responds we can set up a test. He will offer you $500,000 to take part, since he has already done this several times, even though it is not the real challenge.

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moderator send me 10 words by pm , i transmit it to eirik or another volunteer by telepathy,he write it on the forum,this is the first test to prove my paranormal ability
 
moderator send me 10 words by pm , i transmit it to eirik or another volunteer by telepathy,he write it on the forum,this is the first test to prove my paranormal ability

How do you define success/failure on this start towards developing a protocol?

Norm
 
abr, you need to try something like this:

Materials:
trusted agent
receiver
sender (abr)

Protocol:
1. abr sends ten words to a trusted agent via PM. These words will be in English and will not involve similar concepts (e.g., "truck" and "car" are too similar). They will be spelled according to Webster's Dictionary; words with alternate spellings in different forms of English (e.g., "theatre" and "theater") will not be used.
1a. The trusted agent works with abr (via PM) if there are problems with the list (mis-spellings, duplicate concepts). When both the trusted agent and abr agree that the list is good, continue to step 2.
2. The trusted agent posts a hash of the list here. (This is a process which generates an encrypted file. It is almost impossible to crack*.)
3. abr posts the specific day, time, and duration in which he/she will send the words to the receiver. The time will be specified in both LOCAL and ZULU (GMT) time so that the receiver knows when to be ready to receive. For example, if abr is sending to Jackalgirl and states that he/she will be sending at 6pm local / 10pm zulu, Jackalgirl (who is in Japan) knows that she has to be ready to receive at 7am the next day. Note that duration must also be specified -- i.e., that abr will send for 10 minutes, or 30 minutes, or whatever.
4. The receiver accepts and acknowledges the date/time via a post here. If the time is not good for the receiver, he/she proposes an alternate time, to which the sender agrees (this process should be repeated until both parties agree to the date and time).
5. At the specified date and time, abr psychically sends the word list to the receiver.
6. At the conclusion of the sending period, the receiver posts the words which he/she has received, or feels that he/she has received.
7. The trusted agent posts the words sent to him/her by abr. Forum members can generate a hash of this list: if the encrypted hash they generate matches the one the trusted agent posted, they know that the trusted agent did not change the words.
8. If the receiver correctly identifies seven out of ten words (with the correct spelling), the test will be considered a success. If the receiver correctly identifies six or less out of ten words, the test will be considered a failure.

This is what people mean by protocol and by specifying levels of success or failure, abr.

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*By itself, the encryption algorithm is very strong. However, it's possible to crack these files if the person who generates them provides clues. This allows people to "crib" -- that is, to guess at words in the hash and see if they can reverse-engineer the hash. Solution? Don't provide clues.
 
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ETA: Deleted what I first said. Don't want to confuse the claimant with lengthy explanations or words of advice at this fragile moment.

ETA: Jackalgirl has presented a perfect test protocol. All he needs to do is to accept it. I don't see why he wouldn't accept the protocol, it involves the specifics of his claimed capabilities and as a preliminary demonstration it is probably easier than the actual MDC test would be. :)

ETA: I volunteer to be a receiver. I claim to be somewhat telepathic myself so it would be easier to transmit to me than to someone else. :)
 
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hello

thanks for all your helps , i accept the protocol of jackagirl,give me the day and the time of the experiment and the name of the volunteer.
 
who is the volunteer visionfromfeeling or eirik, it's ok for 10 words and who is the trusted agent who i will send the ten words
 
Please don't call me a "troll". My own paranormal claim is the description of a genuine, not to say necessarily paranormal, experience, and I don't think I have been behaving like one. So, please.

From her website:

"One FACT member said that based on what's been taking place at the JREF Forums he doesn't see why I keep going there because it doesn't do me any good, and I said that well, I just go there lately to make fun of the Skeptics there. To have fun with them. So we had two readings."

'Nuff said. :rolleyes:
 
desertgal, coming from the #1 person who is responsible for that, you shouldn't be speaking about it. Besides I stopped reading your posts a long time ago and found that everything worked out nicer that way, and I am not saying that to sound offensive against you or anything. You know perfectly well that all that comes from you is arguments regarding my mental health when you know perfectly well that that isn't the topic here. I have a perfectly valid claim. I will not be speaking with you.

I have every reason to help claimant abr with his paranormal claim. It has got nothing to do with your hostilities against me or the reasons why I should refrain from engaging in my own threads. And you know abr's thread is not the place for you to post this.

I will be happy to help abr by volunteering for his telepathy experiment.
 

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