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MikeG said:
Indeed. If it's pro-Brexit, though, their choice is small. I have to say that of all the Brexiteers, (from any party) I was mightily impressed with Gisella Stewart.
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If it was a Brexiter I think that would be (even more) disasterous for the Labour party. If the Labour Party embraced the Brexit position (as opposed to reluctantly making the best of if) then they'd lose supporters like me without necessarily regaining those who may defect to the already by then strongly pro-Brexit Tories and UKIP.
 
kevsta said:
you think? on what grounds? I think the floodgates just cracked open..

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-24/now-its-our-turn-geert-wilders-calls-dutch-referendum

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-24/victory-freedom-le-pen-demands-referendum-france

there is a lot of Euro-skepticism in the rest of Europe too, and it should be pretty obvious by now that Spain & Greece cannot remain on the same currency as Germany & Scandinavia forever.
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Didn't know Germany was on the Krone.
 
catsmate said:
A Scot of my acquaintance wonders what would happen if the Scottish Parliament refuses to consent the alteration in conditions (the devolved parliaments are all legally required to operate within EU law and these requirements would have to be repealed).
A constitutional crisis in the making perhaps?
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Nope, the UK parliament is preeminent in regards to constitutional matters.

I really don't understand what the grounds are for seeking a second independence referendum. The EU remain or leave was a UK issue and all votes carried the same importance.
 
Darat said:
I really don't understand what the grounds are for seeking a second independence referendum.
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Because the first independence referendum produced the wrong answer. (And as a bonus so did the Brexit one)

So two wrongs make a, um . . . two wrongs probably.

What is interesting is the apparent belief among anybody that Scotland voting No to independence "guaranteed" Scotland would remain in the EU forever. The Brexit referendum was already promised before then and I don't think the plan was ever to have "Remain" as the only option on the ballot.
 
The Don said:
If it was a Brexiter I think that would be (even more) disasterous for the Labour party. If the Labour Party embraced the Brexit position (as opposed to reluctantly making the best of if) then they'd lose supporters like me without necessarily regaining those who may defect to the already by then strongly pro-Brexit Tories and UKIP.
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And why do the PLP think C wouldn't win another leadership contest?
 
Lothian said:
What now? It is easy.
Stop free movement of EU citizens to the UK,
Put in place Free trade agreements with the EU,
Don't contribute a penny to the EU,
Spend £350,000,000 a week extra on the NHS and public services.

That is what people voted for.
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It costs Norway 478 million Euros (£390 million) a year to be a member of the EU institutions it thinks are worthwhile, mostly being in the EEA.

http://www.norway.org.uk/norwayandc...gian-Politics/NORWAY-EU-AND-EEA/#.V21TLjWDPIU

The UK is significantly larger than Norway, so our contribution will be bigger. Which will mean less to spend on the NHS and public services than people think.
 
Darat said:
Nope, the UK parliament is preeminent in regards to constitutional matters.

I really don't understand what the grounds are for seeking a second independence referendum. The EU remain or leave was a UK issue and all votes carried the same importance.
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That owes, as I hear from the Scottish PM, to the substantial and material differences in the assumptions for the first vote. Mainly, that the 'No' vote was at least in part motivated by a desire to remain in the EU, and now a 'Yes' vote would be needed to enable that same goal.
 
Lothian said:
What now? It is easy.
Stop free movement of EU citizens to the UK,Put in place Free trade agreements with the EU,
Don't contribute a penny to the EU,
Spend £350,000,000 a week extra on the NHS and public services.

That is what people voted for.
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Immigration cuts both ways. Pre-exit, Britons could live permanently in any EU country they chose. Post-exit there'll be no more retiring to live cheaply in Spain.
 
kevsta said:
apologies I thought default / restructure / knock the Euro banks they "owe" etc was implicit in my comment. and no I dont think China lent them anything, unless indirectly through the IMF



otherwise the European banks they owe, wouldn't have been paid (the same day) with the bailout money you mean?
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When you are going to use improbable assumptions predicated on unlikely chain of events, kindly state them.

There weren't just banks in that mix. Also they didn't help Greeks to cheat, that would be job of certain USAian financial institutions...

In any case, Eurozone keeps Greece at least sort of working, instead of being completely failed country.

GlennB said:
'Martin Schulz, the president of the European parliament, told the Guardian that EU lawyers were studying whether it was possible to speed up the triggering of article 50 – the untested procedure for leaving the European Union.

“Uncertainty is the opposite of what we need,” Schulz said, adding that it was difficult to accept that “a whole continent is taken hostage because of an internal fight in the Tory party”.'

Amen. Article

Meanwhile Johnson is saying "No rush" as if it were entirely up to the UK.
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Frankly, terminate Britain's membership as fast as possible, with no special provisions surviving. Just standard WTO conditions. Any extra stuff should be negotiated after that. With no rush obviously...
 
lionking said:
I doubt that the Netherlands will look at the UK experience and think it's a good idea to go the same way.
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Uh, it's going to take years for any 'experience' to be established. And unless there are some here who have won Randi's Million Dollar Challenge, no one can say with certainty whether that experience will be positive, negative, or mixed.
 
Francesca R said:
Maybe Didymus means it will be to live expensively in Spain because the pound was gonna keep tanking rather hard.
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Permanently? Or will the currency simply fluctuate in trading, as all currencies do.

(You want to see a currency with a crazy exchange history? Look no further than the Canadian dollar against the U.S. And yet Canada manages to survive and prosper.)
 
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