Norman Dodd

[Bubba]

This one is easy. You decide.
Norman Dodd.
Just read his account of events and decide for yourself whether it is credible or not. Choose from senile, or lying, or neither, or fill in the blank.

This by the way can be taken as an example of how a part of a hypothetical shadow govt might be profiled...rather than require an entire government in shadow, put your puppets and policies in positions of power.

In 1953, Norman Dodd was asked by the Reece Committee to check on the tax-exempt compliance of Foundations ie Ford, Carnegie etc. He says he discovered some "un-American practices".

Transcript of Norman Dodd interview with Ed Griffin:

The interview is also on youtube....all here at google:
https://www.google.com/search?q=dnorman+dodd&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=norman+dodd

transcript:


The Hidden Agenda

[INTRO]

NORMAN DODD: Rowan Gaither was at that time president of the Ford Foundation. Mr. Gaither had sent for me when I found it convenient to be in New York, asked me to call upon him at his office, which I did, and on arrival after a few amenities, Mr. Gaither said: “Mr. Dodd, we've asked you to come up here today because we thought that possibly, off the record, you would tell us why the Congress is interested in the activities of the foundations such as ourselves.” Before I could think of how I would reply to that statement, Mr. Gaither then went on and said: “Mr. Dodd, all of us who have a hand in the making of policies here have had experience operating under directives, the substance of which is that we shall use our grant-making power so to alter life in the United States that it can be comfortably merged with the Soviet Union.”

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Edited for rule 4.

 

[ComfySlippers]

Lay off the copy pasta from the World Wide Woo.
It's tiresome.

 

[theprestige]

This exchange caught my fancy:

ED GRIFFIN: Mr. Dodd, let's begin this interview with a brief statement. For the record, please tell us who you are, what is your background and your qualifications to speak on this subject.

NORMAN DODD: Well, Mr. Griffin, as to who I am, I am just, as the name implies, an individual born in New Jersey and educated in private schools, eventually in a school called Andover in Massachusetts and then Yale university.​

Unless things have changed *a lot* since the 1950s, that's an absurd amount of things for the name "Norman Dodd" to imply. A man who thinks that "Norman Dodd" necessarily implies education at Andover and Yale, probably can't be trusted to draw reasonable inferences from anything.

 

[Bubba]

Lay off the copy pasta from the World Wide Woo.
It's tiresome.

Wow, someone actually opened the spoiler?

 

[Bubba]

This exchange caught my fancy:

ED GRIFFIN: Mr. Dodd, let's begin this interview with a brief statement. For the record, please tell us who you are, what is your background and your qualifications to speak on this subject.

NORMAN DODD: Well, Mr. Griffin, as to who I am, I am just, as the name implies, an individual born in New Jersey and educated in private schools, eventually in a school called Andover in Massachusetts and then Yale university.​

Unless things have changed *a lot* since the 1950s, that's an absurd amount of things for the name "Norman Dodd" to imply. A man who thinks that "Norman Dodd" necessarily implies education at Andover and Yale, probably can't be trusted to draw reasonable inferences from anything.

How insightful. Makes perfect sense.

 

[ComfySlippers]

Wow, someone actually opened the spoiler?

I'd hardly call it a spoiler.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Is this from some normal dude?

“Mr. Dodd, all of us who have a hand in the making of policies here have had experience operating under directives, the substance of which is that we shall use our grant-making power so to alter life in the United States that it can be comfortably merged with the Soviet Union.”

And the Best of British Luck in succeeding in that endeavour.

 

[Hans]

Comedy from the spoiler

Why do the foundations generously support Communist causes in the United States?

They do? If so they have done a really bad job then ......

 

[fromdownunder]

Let's take a look at one comment in the 1988 (?) interview by a (possibly senile) 88 year old man recalling something that was said to him in 1953:

“Mr. Dodd, all of us who have a hand in the making of policies here have had experience operating under directives, the substance of which is that we shall use our grant-making power so to alter life in the United States that it can be comfortably merged with the Soviet Union.”

So, the "comfortable merge with the Soviet Union" was already planned by the Super Powers That Be by 1953, which as of now is 62 years ago.

Bubba, since you appear to think that this is an important revelation, how do you reconcile the absolute failure of the merger suggested by Dodd to the real world as it stands? Why have such incredibly powerful people failed so badly? They have had 62 years!

Or is this just more complete utter crap? I am trying to think what you could actually achieve if you did real stuff, rather than waste your life looking for conspiracies which achieve absolutely nothing, and go absolutely nowhere.

Norm

 

[Bubba]

Let's take a look at one comment in the 1988 (?) interview by a (possibly senile) 88 year old man recalling something that was said to him in 1953:

Detractors would jump on senile. Dodd was not senile in the video interview.

So, the "comfortable merge with the Soviet Union" was already planned by the Super Powers That Be by 1953, which as of now is 62 years ago.

Claiming failure of their agenda stems from taking literally the phrase "comfortable merge with the Soviet Union". It happens and looks differently. Time is on their side They saw that it would take changing the education systems over generations because modern America is nothing like pre-soviet russia. They knew they could not use force as in russia. They have time.

In their words, from Dodd:

I went back to Washington and I selected a member of my staff who had been a practicing attorney in Washington. She was on my staff to see to it that I didn't break any congressional procedures or rules, in addition to which she was unsympathetic to the purpose of the investigation. She was level-headed and a very reasonably brilliant, capable lady. Her attitude toward the investigation was: What could possibly be wrong with foundations? They do so much good.
Well, in the face of that sincere conviction of Katherine's I went out of my way not to prejudice her in any way, but I did explain to her that she couldn't possibly cover 50 years of written minutes in two weeks, so she would have to do what we call spot reading. I blocked out certain periods of time to concentrate on, and off she went to New York. She came back at the end of two weeks with the following on dictaphone tapes:

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Edited for rule 4.

Bubba, since you appear to think that this is an important revelation, how do you reconcile the absolute failure of the merger suggested by Dodd to the real world as it stands? Why have such incredibly powerful people failed so badly? They have had 62 years!

I dont share yor view. Some even say we are near a tipping point. It need not resemble soviet style changes at all.

Long term, spanning generations is OK with them. Some make the case that certain programs today are part of it. National health care could be/become a trojan horse, for example. Irrefutable dumbing down is another. Squeezing out middle class would be another piece. Creeping economic slavery? Slaves who still think they are free are way better than the old fashioned kind.

Or is this just more complete utter crap? I am trying to think what you could actually achieve if you did real stuff, rather than waste your life looking for conspiracies which achieve absolutely nothing, and go absolutely nowhere.

Norm

 

[threadworm]

As a citizen of a nation that has had free health care for decades, it amuses me no end that it is seen as an underhand method of introducing a Soviet style state.

God forbid that poor people should be healthy.

 

[Hans]

As a citizen of a nation that has had free health care for decades, it amuses me no end that it is seen as an underhand method of introducing a Soviet style state.

God forbid that poor people should be healthy.

We need to go back to the 17th century and make sure people die in mass.

As we have noted the Chinese dropped Communist but kept health care.

Switzerland one of the bastions of Capitalism also has universal health care....
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Bubba serious question do you actually understand what Communism, Capitalism and Socialism are? I ask because you seem somewhat confused.

 

[Mojo]

Bubba serious question do you actually understand what Communism, Capitalism and Socialism are? I ask because you seem somewhat confused.

Bubba seems to be stuck in a somewhat McCathyist paradigm.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Claiming failure of their agenda stems from taking literally the phrase "comfortable merge with the Soviet Union". It happens and looks differently. Time is on their side They saw that it would take changing the education systems over generations because modern America is nothing like pre-soviet russia. They knew they could not use force as in russia. They have time.

Time was on their side, right up to the moment that the Soviet Union ceased to exist.
So the "Them" (whoever "They" are in this case) are trying to alter the American education system to make people more receptive to a merger with a failed and largely discredited state and system. Now I know that you would never post something without having thoroughly researched it first, so you can put up those links to the evidence for this process without delay. Can't you.

 

[fromdownunder]

Claiming failure of their agenda stems from taking literally the phrase "comfortable merge with the Soviet Union". It happens and looks differently.

In case you have not noticed, there is no Soviet Union any more.

Time is on their side They saw that it would take changing the education systems over generations because modern America is nothing like pre-soviet russia. They knew they could not use force as in russia. They have time.

Uuummm... 1953? Most of "them" would be dead. Are they passing this stuff onto future generations, so that maybe in 100 years, something might happen?

I dont share yor view. Some even say we are near a tipping point. It need not resemble soviet style changes at all.

Long term, spanning generations is OK with them. Some make the case that certain programs today are part of it. National health care could be/become a trojan horse, for example. Irrefutable dumbing down is another. Squeezing out middle class would be another piece. Creeping economic slavery? Slaves who still think they are free are way better than the old fashioned kind.

National Health Care? As it is in Australia, New Zealand, Great Britain and Canada? I spend far too much time in Hospital and Health Centres, and have not noticed too many Russians hanging around.

I can accept, as I understand it, the dumbing down bit, but for reasons you are not actually qualified to understand.

And one question. Have you any evidence that the USA Middle Class is being squeezed out and becoming slaves, or is this simply rhetoric and you have no evidence and throw whatever crap you can at a wall hoping that some of it sticks?

Evidence or you are simply making stuff up. Then again, what else is new!

Norm

 

[Bubba]

Uuummm... 1953? Most of "them" would be dead. Are they passing this stuff onto future generations, so that maybe in 100 years, something might happen?

I trust that is how you'd do it if you were one of "them".

Dynasties, both family and institutional, are, I assume, what you are suggesting

 

[Hans]

Yeah like the Kennedy's and Bush families - you know elite powerful families who have exactly the same political ideas........lol

 

[jaydeehess]

I trust that is how you'd do it if you were one of "them".

Dynasties, both family and institutional, are, I assume, what you are suggesting

So some time in the future, several generations from now, the USA will be merged with a country that no longer existed a generation in the past.

Got it! ,, um no, frankly I don't because its insane.

Why don't you drag up a few quotes from Alexander the Great and tell us about how soon the world will be under Greek control.

 

[fromdownunder]

I trust that is how you'd do it if you were one of "them".

Dynasties, both family and institutional, are, I assume, what you are suggesting

Well, since you have cited Obamacare as one potential way to undermine democracy in the USA, and align it with a non existing Soviet Union, then you might explain, step by step, how, in 1953, a group of people managed to pass on, arrange, and manipulate Americans to vote for and elect a Black Democrat who subsequently arranged some form of healthcare reform, and how this reform will lead to further advances against democracy. they must have had superpowers!

Come on, it's your hypothesis - justify your "reasoning"

Norm

 

[Bubba]

quote-jaydeehess;
So some time in the future, several generations from now, the USA will be merged with a country that no longer existed a generation in the past.

Got it! ,, um no, frankly I don't because its insane.

Why don't you drag up a few quotes from Alexander the Great and tell us about how soon the world will be under Greek control.

Well, since you have cited Obamacare as one potential way to undermine democracy in the USA, and align it with a non existing Soviet Union, then you might explain, step by step, how, in 1953, a group of people managed to pass on, arrange, and manipulate Americans to vote for and elect a Black Democrat who subsequently arranged some form of healthcare reform, and how this reform will lead to further advances against democracy. they must have had superpowers!

Come on, it's your hypothesis - justify your "reasoning"

Norm

At that rate of straw, your haystack wont last long.

I'm pretty sure I responded to "..they're all dead, and so is the Soviet Union".

One more time:

Within institutions plans/programs evolve, spanning generations. The transcript indicates the need for a long term program was recognized at the outset, ie planning to re-structure education systems.

Hardly rocket science. I'm surprised it required explaining