New Book by Tammy Bruce

[Aardvark_DK]

Of course the unfairness of all of this is that a lot of people that consider themselves leftwing are embarrassed by Mumia's defenders and don't like the fact the political philosophy that they subscribe to has some leadership that engages in this sort of thing.

The same goes for the right though. I consider myself to be on the right but I don't agree with a lot of what is done and advocated by rightwing leadership. So maybe broad brush attacks against the left or the right like the one that started this thread are inherently unfair and serve better to rally the faithful than as a basis for discussion.

Thank you. Well said.

 

[Theodore Kurita]

There are many of them. My library is quite extensive as I have researched the evils of leftism for some time. What component of leftist perversion do you want to cover first? Historical, economic, war-crimes, etc?

Start reading The Black Book of Communism. If you want, I can e-mail you a list of my 100+ most important books exposing leftist evil if you would like.

JK

I see you have been smoking crack again JK.


Anyways...


Fact: Communism does not work very well.

Fiction: True Communism was established in Russia.

Fact: True Communism has never existed, because, the elitists *cough* Stalin *cough* refused to give up their power and hand it to the people.



So what if I am a liberal person. The translation is ◊◊◊◊ off until you give any form of concrete evidence that socialism can not work.


Socialism is a liberal form of Government.


All basic human needs are covered by it.

Countries that are good examples of this:

Finland
Sweden
Labour Party in Britain (Tony Blair)

If you really want to know what a socialist (like me) belives, check the website out:

http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/socialism21/



Now, who said we were racist biggots again.

 

[Jedi Knight]

With all due respect to JK, from my perspective the Tammy Bruce (whom I like) article paints with too broad a brush and covers too many non-specific issues to be the topic of a thread.

None the less, some of it resonated with me as it apparently did LukeT who brought up Mumia, a stone cold killer that for some on the left have decided is unjustly in prison. While terms like left and right are ambiguous and I always hesitate to use them, it does seem that for whatever reason it is left leaning folks that end up taking up the cause of some of the most heinous criminals. I guess because their logic goes something like, he's anti-establishment, I'm anti-establishment, we must be on the same side.

Mumia, is a perfect example of this. The evidence against him is very strong as put forth in the following web site:
http://www.danielfaulkner.com/
and discussed in this editorial:
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment050900b.html

And yet some on the left have decided to fight for this guy with a strategy based on a concious misrepresentation of facts.

Of course the unfairness of all of this is that a lot of people that consider themselves leftwing are embarrassed by Mumia's defenders and don't like the fact the political philosophy that they subscribe to has some leadership that engages in this sort of thing.

The same goes for the right though. I consider myself to be on the right but I don't agree with a lot of what is done and advocated by rightwing leadership. So maybe broad brush attacks against the left or the right like the one that started this thread are inherently unfair and serve better to rally the faithful than as a basis for discussion.

You are just trying to confuse the topic for those that are not versed in its importance. Tammy Bruce was a member of the leftist elite for decades. She is merely talking about the very institution that she worked hard inside of. But then Tammy had an "awakening" of sorts and saw the despotism in the left and she walked away from it. You have to give her credit.

Also, the quote I used from her book is just the beginning. Read the book. There is no broad brush in her writing--it is very specific.

JK

 

[clk]

So what if I am a liberal person.

Trying to pass yourself off as a liberal now, huh? Just as you tried to make everyone believe you were a medical student, or a hacker, or had a Masters in astronomy, or.....

 

[Supercharts]

Trying to pass yourself off as a liberal now, huh? Just as you tried to make everyone believe you were a medical student, or a hacker, or had a Masters in astronomy, or.....

He's a child. Have pity.

 

[dmarker]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Book by Tammy Bruce

This is getting too long so I'm going to split things up.

Originally posted by dmarker
No, this just begs more questions.

I like questions.

How is the NEA removing conservative thought from schools? Are you saying that the teachers expect more from female and minority students than white male students? The ultimate decisions on textbooks and course content reside with local school boards, as demonstrated by the Xtian right, how does the NEA get around this?

I am pleased you asked this question. Local school boards are laughably impotent and the only "hiring" done by the local school board to appease the "town" constituency is that of superintendent. Once the superintendant is hired (usually always a leftist in every community), that superintendent then begins to force out all conservatives from teaching positions. It is a mirror image of what is going on in American universities, the last bastion of the perversionist left. Check out Horowitz's facts about the conservative plight on American Universities. I can link it if you want to, but for now I want to focus on how the NEA works in unison with their CEO's (school superintendants) to bring left-wing solidarity to public schools across the country. They have it down to a science.

Here is how the game works. School Superintendants are usually always Ph.D's unless there is a personnel shortage in a particular geographical region, where the Ph.D candidate usually has a Ph.D in "education" or a discipline where the Ph.D candidate is effectively screened at the university administering the indoctrination program for the candidiate. It all begins at the university level. The candidate in the Ph.D program is checked for leftist allegiance long before they are given the nod for their doctorate. I have studied this extensively and am tempted to write a book on it. It is sort of a parallel to how the military does it. Out of all the commissioned officers that ever serve in the military, less than one percent will ever make the rank of general. The one percent that does is solidly aligned with the agenda of the military institution and works as a CEO of the military.

That is how Ph.D's in the American school systems work. What the NEA does is plant these folks at the community level and then uses them as institutional tools to advance leftist culture nationally. You mentioned that the school board does "all the hiring". That is not untrue per se, but is a half-truth. The school board is generally filled with folks that have no education or no knowledge of the process, so a slick superintendant can have their way with them easily. In my community this was hilariously the case for as long as I can remember.

What the school board does in all communities is loudly advocate for the school superintendent when the hiring is needed. It generally appears in the newspapers, the salary is debated so that the community actually is led to believe they have a say in the matter, and then when the hiring is done the school board tells "the people" that they are part of the "process", when in actuality they are not, because regardless of the indoctrinated school superintendant, the outcome will always be the same under the direction of the leftist-nationalist NEA agenda.

You see, the greatest deception put forth on Americans is that very fact. You always hear the ultimate half-truth that Americans and their public education systems are "local" systems guided by the "states", but that is a complete falsehood. The NEA is a national organization with uniform national policy objectives in indoctrinating children. They are a very powerful leftist political lobby.

So the "hiring" thing can be played off as a "local" activity, but if you send a communist in to do the hiring in every community, do non-communists get hired? The "school board" will mandate the superintendent a budget for positions to be filled, but the school board does not hire/fire unless it becomes a situation whereby the community can be publicly "embarassed" by a hiring and the school board is thrust into a situation where they have to publicly assert "leadership" (which is always a lack thereof). Any "firing" that is done in public schools is done by the superintendent and the NEA (the union), not the school board.

If you walked into a US corporation and saw all whites in there working and no one else, that would raise some eyebrows, right? Sure it would. There would be no "diversity" and "multiculturalism", right? That is where the deception comes in. Americans are trained by the public school system to hyperactively be aware of diversity only if it is related to skin color.

Real diversity (the diversity of thought and ideas) is lost to Americans. That is why conservatives are being purged not only from the American university system, but the public school system, and no one is held accountable for it. The reasons are simple, as I explained above, but a conservative is not "welcome" teaching at the university and the public school. You may find a handful that have slipped through due to their own cleverness, but the ratio of conservatives to leftists in the public school system and the university will always be at least 9:1.

Not to stray off-topic, but let me give you an example of how powerful the NEA is and why the myth of local control over the public school system is just that--a myth. When the NEA wants a new school in a certain community, the "idea" is thrown out there to the local tax-payers. Now the idea may be something as insignificant as "we need more classrooms for smaller class-size", or it may be something as major as "we need a swimming pool like the community that is our neighbor to the north has for their children". Whatever the reason it all means the same thing in the end. When the NEA says a new school needs to go in some place, the community either "gets it" (the "people" agree completely), or other actions are taken. One of the most effective methods is getting the old school to lose its accreditation. Nothing lights the fire under the asses of local community tax-payers faster or builds momentum for a new school than one that is threatened to lose accreditation. Sally Soccer Mom wants her high-school kids to go to college, and Sally knows if her high school loses its accreditation that Sally's kid won't do as well as the kid whose school was accredited.

So the local community is then coerced to pay for a new school costing $50 - 100 million. Is that "local" control? No way. Like the hiring of non-conservatives in all facets of education, when the NEA waves its stick around, "the people" jump.

This particular debate has extensive depth to it so if you would like to discuss it in further detail or other topics, feel free to start them. But that is a sample of how the education game is played and how "local" is "never local".


JK

I never mentioned hiring. I just pointed out that text books and course content is controlled on the local level. If this is not so then why have members of the Religious Right taken over school boards after they lost the evolution battle in appelate courts? Why do they want to join such impotent groups unless school boards are not so impotent after all?

How does the NEA get the accreditation board to pull the accreditation? Name a few schools that have had this done and back it up with a few newspaper articles.

How do you define a conservative teacher? A leftist teacher?

 

[dmarker]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Book by Tammy Bruce

Part Two

Originally posted by dmarker
No, this just begs more questions.

I like questions.


The ACLU also sued to allow Neo-Nazis to march in a mainly Jewish neighborhood, Skokie, Illinois. They've also sued so that the Ku Klux Klan could march in various cities. Why shouldn't the American people know who is being held for terrorism? As for sex offenders, these names are not secret from the police and never have been, the problem of releasing names to the public is vigilante action against people who have already been punished for the crime as much as the law allows. What about longer sentences for sex offenders instead?

The ACLU will throw a lawyer at a some Nazi group to help them just to give the the ACLU an air of legitimacy. Anyone can "march" in this country for a "cause". The ACLU can do cases like that all day and not get hurt by them because those cases are no-brainers. Any idiot lawyer can walk into a court and prove a group has a right to march--the US Constitution already spells it out. What you are basically saying, which is pretty laughable, is that the ACLU is "centered" ideologically because they went to court to help some marginal Nazi group get rights they already had under the constitution. Pretty funny spin.

The terrorists that the ACLU sued to get the names of didn't want to be found out, as the criminal child-sex predators don't want to be found out. The US Justice Department gave all those terrorists that were held in confinement free access to telephones with numbers to call newspapers, etc. None of them wanted that. None of them made the "call", yet the ACLU by suing the government tried to make everyone think that these people were held "against their will" in total isolation and against the norms of due process. All those terrorists had telephones and open communications access.

At the same time, the ACLU sued to keep the names of criminal predators of children a "secret", the opposite to what they wanted with the terrorists. The family living next to a sexual predator doesn't willingly want to. It is hard for familes to "leave town" when they own a home in a community. It is also not the family's fault for the criminal child-predator to be out of prison anyway. That is the fault of apologist leftism and special interest groups who don't see criminal predators of children as that much of a threat in the community. The law-abiding do not have a say in how long a criminal sex predator of children has in jail and they never will. What they can do is find out where these predators live so they can keep their kids 1,000,000,000 miles away from them. They have that right. If leftists aren't willing to incarcerate these people, that isn't the law-abiding citizen's fault. Also, knowing where in the community these people live isn't "lynching" them or being a "vigilante". If vigilantism was a problem, there would not be any sex-predators of children alive, would there?


JK

But aren't those marches crushing the economy of those neighborhoods?

And the ACLU stepped in to ensure that the local governments obeyed the Constitution. They fought several legal battles and now the Neo-Nazis and Klan can march freely wherever they wish. Isn't this the opposite of promoting a leftist agenda?

As for the terrorist suspects, how do you know that our government actually gave them the right to call out? Because they said so? Even the framers of the Constitution didn't trust the Government, and you expect everyone else to?

And here we come to child molesters. Frankly, I'm all for much longer sentences for child molesting. Plus, I'm for chemical castration or even surgical castration for those who are repeat offenders with plenty of evidence against them. Maybe even the death penalty for those who are incorrigible after these steps are taken. However the law of the land sets up certain punishments and notifying local police of their whereabouts will have to do until we can toughen up those sentences.

 

[dmarker]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Book by Tammy Bruce

Originally posted by dmarker
No, this just begs more questions.

I like questions.

Do you have evidence that PETA claims that animals have more rights than humans?

There are too many to list but the most recent is PETA's laughable use of propaganda comparing the processing of animals into food a "holocaust". PETA was comparing the natural processing of animals to food with the Jewish Holocaust. That is unbelievably outrageous and openly shows that PETA believes that animals are of the same level if not superior to humans, a very dangerous mindset in reality, and of course, leftist.

How are the Earth Liberation Front and other green organizations ecoterrorists? Do they bomb buildings? Shoot executives like snipers? Can't they present their evidence like any other citizen?

But they burn buildings down and destroy property so much that the FBI has listed ELF as the top domestic terrorist threat in the United States. Do I need to link it?


JK

Shock tactics by a fringe group. And there's no way to call factory farming natural. The natural way is to hunt your food down and kill it or to bait a hook and pull it out of the water with a net.

I can kind of see PETA's point in which we should really think about where are food comes from. And PETA probably will be paying for that little shocker for a while yet. I don't think PETA really makes an impact, if they really do then how?

Yes, you do need to link it because the official FBI site doesn't list ELF as a threat. Unless they are also members of the Freeman and other militia groups. Or maybe they are also bombing abortion clinics. That's all I see about domestic terrorists.

Please only link to official government sites.

 

[Jedi Knight]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Book by Tammy Bruce

This is getting too long so I'm going to split things up.




I never mentioned hiring. I just pointed out that text books and course content is controlled on the local level. If this is not so then why have members of the Religious Right taken over school boards after they lost the evolution battle in appelate courts? Why do they want to join such impotent groups unless school boards are not so impotent after all?

How does the NEA get the accreditation board to pull the accreditation? Name a few schools that have had this done and back it up with a few newspaper articles.

How do you define a conservative teacher? A leftist teacher?

Of course you didn't mention hiring. Hiring is the key to leftist control--to making the public schools "leftist". They couldn't make them leftist unless they hire leftist minions to run them, right?

The school boards don't matter. School boards allocate slots to hire new teachers, but have nothing to do with the leftist system that absorbs them into the public schools system. Tell you what you need to do--start attending your local school board meetings and take a close look at that and then find a conservative teacher somewhere (good luck trying to find one) who can explain it to you in more detail. My discussion was for someone with slightly more experience than you are demonstrating.

JK

 

[peptoabysmal]

Yeah, well I was once a part of the conservative, god loving right. I am ashamed to admit it, but I once prayed that god would see a conservative politician elected so we could smash those commies in 'Nam. But now I have seen the light!

Just for the record, I'm an atheist conservative. Both parties will show up in church when the cameras are on.

You don't mention why you made the switch. Did this light you saw blind you?

 

[Jedi Knight]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Book by Tammy Bruce

Shock tactics by a fringe group. And there's no way to call factory farming natural. The natural way is to hunt your food down and kill it or to bait a hook and pull it out of the water with a net.

I can kind of see PETA's point in which we should really think about where are food comes from. And PETA probably will be paying for that little shocker for a while yet. I don't think PETA really makes an impact, if they really do then how?

Yes, you do need to link it because the official FBI site doesn't list ELF as a threat. Unless they are also members of the Freeman and other militia groups. Or maybe they are also bombing abortion clinics. That's all I see about domestic terrorists.

Please only link to official government sites.

You aren't qualified for this discussion and have provided no new information. Even worse, you limit yourself by saying the only "domestic" problems with extremism is by the guy who blew up the abortion clinics. He was one guy. I am talking about an extremist group with millions of members that have formed a sub-nation in America. Not to insult you or anything, but I don't have the time to teach you the things you need to know before you start discussing advanced extremism in this thread.

JK

 

[dmarker]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Book by Tammy Bruce

Originally posted by dmarker
No, this just begs more questions.

I like questions.

How do homosexuals indoctrinate children? How do homosexuals terrorize hetrosexuals? Do they use bombings, shooting et?

Homosexual groups indoctrinate children so that children can be candidates for homosexual recruitment. For example, in a textbook that I acquired of a 3rd grade music class, the textbook instructs the teacher to allow and encourage male children to dance together so that they will be less hostile to such circumstances they may encounter in society. That is pretty laughable. Plus, pro-homosexual groups are prevelant at public schools giving "sex-ed" classes of all types to children. There are countless news articles on this as well. Since homosexuality is only an issue with less than 4% of the national population, why are 100% of the children in the public school system being indoctrinated into its training?


JK

The textbook's name, author, and number so I may look it up?

Which pro-homosexual groups are prevelant at public schools giving sex-ed? Where are these news articles?

 

[RandFan]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Book by Tammy Bruce

But aren't those marches crushing the economy of those neighborhoods?

And the ACLU stepped in to ensure that the local governments obeyed the Constitution. They fought several legal battles and now the Neo-Nazis and Klan can march freely wherever they wish. Isn't this the opposite of promoting a leftist agenda?

As for the terrorist suspects, how do you know that our government actually gave them the right to call out? Because they said so? Even the framers of the Constitution didn't trust the Government, and you expect everyone else to?

And here we come to child molesters. Frankly, I'm all for much longer sentences for child molesting. Plus, I'm for chemical castration or even surgical castration for those who are repeat offenders with plenty of evidence against them. Maybe even the death penalty for those who are incorrigible after these steps are taken. However the law of the land sets up certain punishments and notifying local police of their whereabouts will have to do until we can toughen up those sentences.

dmarker,

With all due respect your logic has one single fatal flaw. In can be sumed up in two words, "Jedi Knight." Though my politics are somewhat different than yours I still must cheer you on and offer you my sincere best wishes in your discussions with JK.

In all fairness many have had enjoyed their comunications with JK. I have grown to like the guy and it is probably unfair of me to harp on him so much. Still his refusal to respond in what I think is a meaningful way can be quite frustrating.

Good luck and I look forward to his responses to you.

FWIW,

I never mentioned hiring. I just pointed out that text books and course content is controlled on the local level. If this is not so then why have members of the Religious Right taken over school boards after they lost the evolution battle in appelate courts? Why do they want to join such impotent groups unless school boards are not so impotent after all?

good argument, good question.

 

[dmarker]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Book by Tammy Bruce

Originally posted by dmarker
No, this just begs more questions.

I like questions.


I'm not surprised that you use "feminazi", even though the Nazis themselves weren't feminist. How is "equal pay for equal work" undermining our country?

Women are paid equally. You are quoting a feminist myth. The term "feminazi" illustrates matriarchal totalitarianism, where the totalitarianism is fascist like the Nazis. It fits really well.


JK

But not always, NOW promoted that concept so it is true presently.

And what is matriarchal totalitarianism?

 

[dmarker]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Book by Tammy Bruce

You aren't qualified for this discussion and have provided no new information. Even worse, you limit yourself by saying the only "domestic" problems with extremism is by the guy who blew up the abortion clinics. He was one guy. I am talking about an extremist group with millions of members that have formed a sub-nation in America. Not to insult you or anything, but I don't have the time to teach you the things you need to know before you start discussing advanced extremism in this thread.

JK

The link, sweetie, you said that you could link to it. Put up or shut up.

 

[Jedi Knight]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Book by Tammy Bruce

Yes, you do need to link it because the official FBI site doesn't list ELF as a threat.

You obviously didn't look hard enough. The FBI lists ELF as the premier domestic terrorist organization in the United States. Some of that attention was derailed because of 9/11 and the Islamic problem, but the information is there.

JK

 

[Jedi Knight]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Book by Tammy Bruce

The link, sweetie, you said that you could link to it. Put up or shut up.

Oh, so now you went from "there are no extremists" in America except for "abortion clinic bombers", to "put up or shut up". Panties in a knot now, huh.

JK

 

[RandFan]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Book by Tammy Bruce

Still his refusal to respond in what I think is a meaningful way can be quite frustrating.

You aren't qualified for this discussion and have provided no new information.

QED

 

[Jedi Knight]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Book by Tammy Bruce

And what is matriarchal totalitarianism?

Matriarchal Totalitarianism is a term I created to describe the current political conditions in the United States.

lol.

Do we need to go through this again with another 50 pages? I take it you are new to this political forum.

JK

 

[Jedi Knight]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Book by Tammy Bruce

QED

Randfan, when a leftist denies leftist extremism exists in America, what else can be said? lol. Come on, you know I bend over backwards for folks who have the slightest clue about politics, but I dismiss those in denial. It is like trying to make a "Christian" into a "Muslim", and like Mr. Randi says it isn't worth the energy.

JK