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New Book by Tammy Bruce

Thanz said:
Who exactly is this radical Left that is celebrating cop killers, etc? I realize this is just an introduction to her book, but some concrete examples would be nice. I just don't see the death of right and wrong - you have a conservative president who has definite notions of right and wrong.

Really, the "Left" as described here seems just as shadowy as any conspiracy theory about some "military-industrial complex" who really run our lives.

The problem is not the "Left" - it is the death of personal responsibility in general. I don't think that this can all be laid at the feet of the "Left". Turn on the tv any day and on any talk show people are whining about their lives, seeking attention, but not actually doing anything about the situations they create. I don't think it is a right or left issue.

I do it all the time. In fact, we have a club, and we meet everytime a cop is killed or a WTC brought down. It has a huge membership, with an active fund raising committee. Would you like a raffle ticket for a tray of meat?
 
a_unique_person said:


I do it all the time. In fact, we have a club, and we meet everytime a cop is killed or a WTC brought down. It has a huge membership, with an active fund raising committee. Would you like a raffle ticket for a tray of meat?

Shhhhhh comrade they will discover our secrets!!!
 
peptoabysmal said:
Nice article. It expresses much of how I feel too. I was a "liberal democrat" for ... well a lot of years :D. I was one even before the painful Vietnam days. Some people refer to that time as our second civil war.

Well, I'm not one anymore. This last year I've been embarrassed to say I was even a Democrat, let alone liberal. I have seen nothing from the left, which I was formerly a part of, except for traitorous and reprehensible behavior. Now they are a bunch of, well, “elitists” is really a good term for them, who presume to be so enlightened as to tell the rest of us how we should think, feel, act, eat, drink and talk. It is not free thinking anymore, it is social fascism.

If your first thought is to reply to this with a smug "Who are *they*?", I hate to tell you this, you are one of them.
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Yeah, well I was once a part of the conservative, god loving right. I am ashamed to admit it, but I once prayed that god would see a conservative politician elected so we could smash those commies in 'Nam. But now I have seen the light!
 
I have a few questions I'd like to ask.

Who are the Left Elite? And all the other "Elites" that conservatives refer to?

For ten years I've heard references to this Elite or that Elite but I've never seen anyone named as one of the _______ Elite. Who comprises the memberships to these groups? Or is the various Elites actually one group?

I see that Bruce refers to the Elites as people who share the same mindset, not an organized group or a cabal. But if these people are working to destroy US values, aren't they organized?

Who has actually come out and said that a murderer should be excused solely on his/her gender and ethnic group?

Name one defendent or convicted that the Elites (whoever they are) want to free on the basis of their gender or ethnicity. Now there are some anti-death penalty folks who don't want to see anybody killed, however they don't think those guys should be walking the streets either. If a group wants to free someone accused/convicted of a crime they usually cite innocence of that crime as a reason to free the accused/convicted.

I'll have more questions later.


Jedi Knight said:
This is a chunk of Chapter 1 of Tammy Bruce's new book, "The Death of Right and Wrong: Exposing the Left's Assault on Our Culture and Values"

As quoted by Tammy Bruce: "The Left Elite has worked for years to brainwash us into a sort of values lobotomy. We are not to judge those who kill, if the guilty are people of color or women; we are to excuse those who destroy lives as victims of a racist, sexist, and homophobic world, or now, on the global scale, the unfair and oppressive “multinational corporate” world; we are to blame the innocent and lionize the guilty.

And if you dare to say you don’t believe injustice to be justice, then, as I demonstrated in The New Thought Police, you will be dismissed as sexist, racist, or homophobic. We have been led behind the Looking Glass, where everything is the opposite of what it should be.

How does the Left Elite indoctrinate decent, thoughtful people into accepting, as an example, that some killers are victims and deserve to be set free? Keep in mind, I speak of the Elite not necessarily as a cabal, but as a group of people who share certain basic assumptions, a certain world view. One now-accomplished goal is the brainwashing of society into believing that because of the color of their skin, or their gender, or their sexual preference, some in our “multicultural society” can never be understood by others, making judgment and punishment inappropriate. The corollaries are that traditional concepts of personal responsibility are outdated, and that expecting others to behave with dignity, and expecting society to recognize the concepts of right and wrong, is contrary to the ideal of liberty. Every idea, every act, has the same value--none is more worthy than another. Of course, this effort has to start with convincing you that the standards by which you were raised were wrong. Your ideas about religion, family, and sex are wrong, perhaps even harmful…

How best to change Americans’ fundamental values? How best to indoctrinate you into a culture that grows sicker and more corrupt by the minute? As I will discuss in more detail in the chapters that follow, the Left Elite uses every medium at its disposal--television, film, music, and art; politics and the justice system; higher education and the news media. One of its most important tools is constant special-interest-group rhetoric.

Keep in mind, the leftism I’m describing has nothing to do with the classical liberalism on which our country was founded--the political philosophy based on individual freedom. In fact, it’s quite the opposite. The Left has had to restrict individual freedom of thought and deed in order to destroy the concept of judgment and undermine notions of right and wrong that have been held nearly universally for millennia. This is the result of the wrong people getting control of our culture at a time when we were vulnerable. It’s that simple and that scary. It also can be reversed without having to diminish the benefits of liberty that flow naturally from our system and our hearts.

The Legacy of the Left

I’m an odd bird on today’s Left--I actually believe that we can embrace individual liberty while also applying some standard of dignity to the way we lead our lives. As a gay woman, I live a life made possible by the tolerance of the average American.

The efforts of activists in the 1960s to bring about an environment that would be safer for homosexual adults, and generally freer for all those who are minorities in our society, have been generally recognized as a good thing. Now, on the contrary, I see the Left demonizing the very idea of decency in their determination to lobotomize Americans into a foggy silence about anything cultural. In truth, being gay and living with decency and dignity are not exclusive concepts. But the Left has dirtied those words to such a degree that when I’ve used them in conversation they have elicited the same reaction as if I had suddenly uttered the word ◊◊◊◊◊◊. Friends have urged me not even to use the word morality because it was too “loaded.” All the more reason to dust it off!

You don’t, after all, need to be steeped in religious fundamentalism to realize things have gone terribly wrong. I personally refuse to be silent when a movement I’ve worked for, believing it was meant to expand tolerance and increase liberty, devolves into an effort to eliminate all value-based concepts.

For example, as a gay woman, I expect tolerance. But I understand that tolerance is not “acceptance” or “buy-in.” I don’t expect other women to run out and become lesbians just because they tolerate me, or even if they like me or admire the stands I have taken. A fundamentalist Christian may think my lifestyle is wrong, but it’s not by fundamentalist Christians that I have been attacked and demonized over the last seven years.

A good example of the difference between today’s Right and today’s Left can be seen in their reaction to murder. People on the Right, no matter how strongly opposed to abortion they are, nearly all recognize that anti-abortion activists who kill doctors are wrong. Contrast that with the Left’s lionization of black men who kill whites, and especially white police officers.

The noble effort in the 1960s to encourage individuality apparently had no braking mechanism. It continued to a point where self-gratification became the goal, at the expense of values that could co-exist with and even enhance our new-found sense of our individuality and sexual self-awareness. Faith, family, fidelity, truth, and honor all became casualties of America’s Cultural Elite. Tolerance, once a genuine American ideal, has become a code word for moral relativism and all its side-effects. Once it was realized that the American people were willing to accept diversity and even some challenge to the status quo, the Left’s goal changed from extending the boundaries of what was considered right, to having no boundaries at all. Moral relativism became the order of the day--a view that moral standards are entirely grounded in social custom, varying from culture to culture, moment to moment, circumstance to circumstance...

The death of right and wrong …may be more easily seen by taking a look at the core of our culture--the art world. The disintegration of our culture, and the conditioning of people into accepting it in silence, begins with legitimizing the depraved. This requires a trip to San Francisco…."--endquote.

Wow, that is powerful stuff, and almost sounds like the observations that I make about the radical left. I am pleased that I am not the only one who sees what is going wrong inside our country and beyond.

Jedi Knight
 
Re: Re: New Book by Tammy Bruce

dmarker said:
I have a few questions I'd like to ask.

Who are the Left Elite? And all the other "Elites" that conservatives refer to?

I was going to respond with: "just open your eyes", but here are a few of the leftist elite:

1) The National Education Association (NEA) -- Sole purpose to remove conservative thought (democratic thought) from the public school system, to put all communities in the US in a leftist stranglehold over education processes, and provide US students with overt brainwashing that they should have "lower expectations" from the leftist-defined "America", unless the students are part of some leftist-defined "victim class" (women, minorities, commies, ect). Students are also taught the primary goal of not achieving in public school in order to dumb them down.

2) ACLU -- Promoted as the "watchdog of freedom", the ACLU is a leftist Marxist organization bent on purging all religious thought and idolatry from the United States, protect radical leftist ideology in an air of self-defined "vicitimization" using US courts to bully Americans into submission and the dismantling of the US Constitution by changing the meaning of the sovereign document. One classic example is when the ACLU sued the US government to release the names of terrorists that were held by the US Justice Department, and yet at the same time sued the government to keep the names of sexual predators of children a "secret" from the communities they preyed in.

3) PETA -- Animals have more rights than humans. Human life is secondary and "humanity" antiquated.

4) Earth Liberation Front (ELF) and all other "greens" groups -- Ecoterrorists of the radical left that use "environmental" issues as the modus operandi of their leftist agenda. Corporations and capitalism in general can be attacked if there is an "environmental" connection made to them, no matter how marginal the enviro impact.

5) Radical homosexual groups -- There is nothing wrong with homosexuality, unless it calls for terrorizing heterosexuals and the indoctrination of children.

6) NOW -- The premiere radical leftist matriarchal feminazi organization operating under the guise of "propelling women" in the nation-state.

7) A.N.S.W.E.R. -- Communist organization that seeks to dismantle the United States in the same method that Yugoslavia was dismantled--leftist, anti-capitalist marches to crush the economy. The group uses useful idiots in leftist cities like San Francisco and college students to achieve these ends. Their recent exploits were propelled by the war in Iraq since it gave them an excuse to become "anti-war" and thus self-legitimize their communist gatherings on US streets in mass, while their true intentions were to destroy the country by any means necessary. This group also includes the WWP (World Worker's Party--another commie group).

8) The NAACP -- Leftist organization that perpetuates racial Marxism where non-blacks have become the "everlasting" and "infinite" foe that must be "crushed". At the same time, the black victimization is pushed onto blacks in America by the NAACP so blacks forever think of themselves as victims and in need of protection from "benevolent government" forever. Naturally this "protection" comes from a handful of other self-appointed, non-governmental "black leaders".

9) All major US and global media.

These are just some of the many, many leftist groups operating in the United States today. Clearer now?

JK
 
Jedi, you left one out:

10) Any person or organization whose political, social or religious ideology is not in total agreement with those of Jedi Knight.
 
a_unique_person said:
What can you say about Tammy Bruce, except she has read all the right wing columnists and listened to the Rush Limburgers, and she seems to have it down pat.

You seem to think that you have it down pat despite the fact that you have never read the book!
 
Smalso said:
Jedi, you left one out:

10) Any person or organization whose political, social or religious ideology is not in total agreement with those of Jedi Knight.

In all fairness that could fit the description of at least 50% of the poster here.
 
Baker said:


In all fairness that could fit the description of at least 50% of the poster here.

Yup. In all fairness.

edit: But Jedi is special.
 
a_unique_person said:


I do it all the time. In fact, we have a club, and we meet everytime a cop is killed or a WTC brought down. It has a huge membership, with an active fund raising committee. Would you like a raffle ticket for a tray of meat?
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Re: Re: New Book by Tammy Bruce

dmarker said:
I have a few questions I'd like to ask.

Who are the Left Elite? And all the other "Elites" that conservatives refer to?
Barbra Striesand. She urged people to use less energy. She lives in a very large house and her guest house is larger than the average home and she uses far more energy than the average American but she does not see herself as an "average" American so why should she conserve energy?

Her website has a list of tips that tell you how to live an "environmentally clean" life (like air dry your clothes), but she refuses to do that herself. Her publicist says that "her lifestyle won't accommodate such things.

Ted Danson was one of these "elites". He soberly predicted in 1990 that the world only had ten years left because our oceans were on the verge of dying. My math isn't too good lately but it is a bit better than his.

FWIW, a little poison for the well.
Ted Danson, the former star of the Cheers television show, was once a skeptic. Now Danson says that he is convinced that everyone will someday have a hotline to dead loved ones in his or her lifetime. Danson urges cynics not to be afraid of crossing over.

Ed Asner and Mike Farrel regardless of all of the evidence of his guilt they have aggressively tried to get a new trial Mumia Abu Jamal.

Bill O'Reilly tried to get Sean Penn to appear on his show to back up his views. Penn said he would only agree to do it for money.

Woody Harrelson claims that our War on Terror is a racist war.

So, let me see if I understand, since the people that attacked us were mid-Eastern we shouldn't do anything to people from the mid-East for fear of having racist motivations????

Who has actually come out and said that a murderer should be excused solely on his/her gender and ethnic group?

Name one defendant or convicted that the Elites (whoever they are) want to free on the basis of their gender or ethnicity. Now there are some anti-death penalty folks who don't want to see anybody killed, however they don't think those guys should be walking the streets either. If a group wants to free someone accused/convicted of a crime they usually cite innocence of that crime as a reason to free the accused/convicted.
Not in the case of Mumia.

Convicted: Mumia Abu Jamal

Elites in support: Ed Asner, Will Farell, etc.

This case has drawn national and international attention and the support of well known celebrities who work to "Free Mumia." Supporters claim he is a black revolutionary held as a political prisoner.


Each myth created by Jamal's supporters is intended to appeal to an unknowing listener's sense of fair play and justice, while at the same time evoking a response of outrage and hatred against the allegedly racist, corrupt and unjust legal system.
And yes, of course their are lots of loonies on the right including right wing "elites".
 
Smalso said:
RandFan:

Care to name a few?
Good question, I can't think of any right now. I'm too busy keeping track of the left wing nuts.

I'm going to have to defer to someone else.

FWIW, we do have Dan Quale, he is not an "elite" but he has a colorful way of spelling potato.
 
Re: Re: Re: New Book by Tammy Bruce

Jedi Knight said:


I was going to respond with: "just open your eyes", but here are a few of the leftist elite:

1) The National Education Association (NEA) -- Sole purpose to remove conservative thought (democratic thought) from the public school system, to put all communities in the US in a leftist stranglehold over education processes, and provide US students with overt brainwashing that they should have "lower expectations" from the leftist-defined "America", unless the students are part of some leftist-defined "victim class" (women, minorities, commies, ect). Students are also taught the primary goal of not achieving in public school in order to dumb them down.

2) ACLU -- Promoted as the "watchdog of freedom", the ACLU is a leftist Marxist organization bent on purging all religious thought and idolatry from the United States, protect radical leftist ideology in an air of self-defined "vicitimization" using US courts to bully Americans into submission and the dismantling of the US Constitution by changing the meaning of the sovereign document. One classic example is when the ACLU sued the US government to release the names of terrorists that were held by the US Justice Department, and yet at the same time sued the government to keep the names of sexual predators of children a "secret" from the communities they preyed in.

3) PETA -- Animals have more rights than humans. Human life is secondary and "humanity" antiquated.

4) Earth Liberation Front (ELF) and all other "greens" groups -- Ecoterrorists of the radical left that use "environmental" issues as the modus operandi of their leftist agenda. Corporations and capitalism in general can be attacked if there is an "environmental" connection made to them, no matter how marginal the enviro impact.

5) Radical homosexual groups -- There is nothing wrong with homosexuality, unless it calls for terrorizing heterosexuals and the indoctrination of children.

6) NOW -- The premiere radical leftist matriarchal feminazi organization operating under the guise of "propelling women" in the nation-state.

7) A.N.S.W.E.R. -- Communist organization that seeks to dismantle the United States in the same method that Yugoslavia was dismantled--leftist, anti-capitalist marches to crush the economy. The group uses useful idiots in leftist cities like San Francisco and college students to achieve these ends. Their recent exploits were propelled by the war in Iraq since it gave them an excuse to become "anti-war" and thus self-legitimize their communist gatherings on US streets in mass, while their true intentions were to destroy the country by any means necessary. This group also includes the WWP (World Worker's Party--another commie group).

8) The NAACP -- Leftist organization that perpetuates racial Marxism where non-blacks have become the "everlasting" and "infinite" foe that must be "crushed". At the same time, the black victimization is pushed onto blacks in America by the NAACP so blacks forever think of themselves as victims and in need of protection from "benevolent government" forever. Naturally this "protection" comes from a handful of other self-appointed, non-governmental "black leaders".

9) All major US and global media.

These are just some of the many, many leftist groups operating in the United States today. Clearer now?

JK

No, this just begs more questions.

How is the NEA removing conservative thought from schools? Are you saying that the teachers expect more from female and minority students than white male students? The ultimate decisions on textbooks and course content reside with local school boards, as demonstrated by the Xtian right, how does the NEA get around this?

The ACLU also sued to allow Neo-Nazis to march in a mainly Jewish neighborhood, Skokie, Illinois. They've also sued so that the Ku Klux Klan could march in various cities. Why shouldn't the American people know who is being held for terrorism? As for sex offenders, these names are not secret from the police and never have been, the problem of releasing names to the public is vigilante action against people who have already been punished for the crime as much as the law allows. What about longer sentences for sex offenders instead?

Do you have evidence that PETA claims that animals have more rights than humans?

How are the Earth Liberation Front and other green organizations ecoterrorists? Do they bomb buildings? Shoot executives like snipers? Can't they present their evidence like any other citizen?

How do homosexuals indoctrinate children? How do homosexuals terrorize hetrosexuals? Do they use bombings, shooting et?

I'm not surprised that you use "feminazi", even though the Nazis themselves weren't feminist. How is "equal pay for equal work" undermining our country?

How do protest marches crush the economy? Isn't Freedom of Assembly guaranteed in our Constitution? Didn't the former Soviet Union and present China suppress this freedom violently? Shouldn't we be better than those countries and allow people to express opinions no matter how midguided and silly?

Who are the leaders of the NAACP? Sorry, I'm not up on this.

Even Fox network, Bush's cheerleaders in this war? Is Rush Limbaugh part of the Leftist elite because he is part of the major media?

From your list it sounds like the Leftist are a pretty big chunk of the country. Are you saying that our country should suppress all these people?
 
"From your list it sounds like the Leftist are a pretty big chunk of the country"

Does anyone remember the Mad Magazine parody (from a long time ago) of the of the "Super Patriot". I believe the main quote was something like "Loves America will hating 99% of the people in it"
 
originally posted by dmarker:
How are the Earth Liberation Front and other green organizations ecoterrorists? Do they bomb buildings? Shoot executives like snipers? Can't they present their evidence like any other citizen?

Whatever about presenting their own evidence, green fascists do their utmost to prevent theopposing side of the argument present theirs

"That is hardly surprising, given the climate. “Fieldwork in the UK is difficult now,” says David Evans, head of research and technology at Syngenta. “Our trials are largely conducted outside the UK. We have had damage on our UK site. We had a stand of transgenic trees, which we were engineering to make them easier to pulp, so you could use fewer chemicals in the process. It was a four-year project. They were debarked. It had a disastrous effect on morale. There were tears.”
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: New Book by Tammy Bruce

Originally posted by dmarker
No, this just begs more questions.

I like questions.

How is the NEA removing conservative thought from schools? Are you saying that the teachers expect more from female and minority students than white male students? The ultimate decisions on textbooks and course content reside with local school boards, as demonstrated by the Xtian right, how does the NEA get around this?

I am pleased you asked this question. Local school boards are laughably impotent and the only "hiring" done by the local school board to appease the "town" constituency is that of superintendent. Once the superintendant is hired (usually always a leftist in every community), that superintendent then begins to force out all conservatives from teaching positions. It is a mirror image of what is going on in American universities, the last bastion of the perversionist left. Check out Horowitz's facts about the conservative plight on American Universities. I can link it if you want to, but for now I want to focus on how the NEA works in unison with their CEO's (school superintendants) to bring left-wing solidarity to public schools across the country. They have it down to a science.

Here is how the game works. School Superintendants are usually always Ph.D's unless there is a personnel shortage in a particular geographical region, where the Ph.D candidate usually has a Ph.D in "education" or a discipline where the Ph.D candidate is effectively screened at the university administering the indoctrination program for the candidiate. It all begins at the university level. The candidate in the Ph.D program is checked for leftist allegiance long before they are given the nod for their doctorate. I have studied this extensively and am tempted to write a book on it. It is sort of a parallel to how the military does it. Out of all the commissioned officers that ever serve in the military, less than one percent will ever make the rank of general. The one percent that does is solidly aligned with the agenda of the military institution and works as a CEO of the military.

That is how Ph.D's in the American school systems work. What the NEA does is plant these folks at the community level and then uses them as institutional tools to advance leftist culture nationally. You mentioned that the school board does "all the hiring". That is not untrue per se, but is a half-truth. The school board is generally filled with folks that have no education or no knowledge of the process, so a slick superintendant can have their way with them easily. In my community this was hilariously the case for as long as I can remember.

What the school board does in all communities is loudly advocate for the school superintendent when the hiring is needed. It generally appears in the newspapers, the salary is debated so that the community actually is led to believe they have a say in the matter, and then when the hiring is done the school board tells "the people" that they are part of the "process", when in actuality they are not, because regardless of the indoctrinated school superintendant, the outcome will always be the same under the direction of the leftist-nationalist NEA agenda.

You see, the greatest deception put forth on Americans is that very fact. You always hear the ultimate half-truth that Americans and their public education systems are "local" systems guided by the "states", but that is a complete falsehood. The NEA is a national organization with uniform national policy objectives in indoctrinating children. They are a very powerful leftist political lobby.

So the "hiring" thing can be played off as a "local" activity, but if you send a communist in to do the hiring in every community, do non-communists get hired? The "school board" will mandate the superintendent a budget for positions to be filled, but the school board does not hire/fire unless it becomes a situation whereby the community can be publicly "embarassed" by a hiring and the school board is thrust into a situation where they have to publicly assert "leadership" (which is always a lack thereof). Any "firing" that is done in public schools is done by the superintendent and the NEA (the union), not the school board.

If you walked into a US corporation and saw all whites in there working and no one else, that would raise some eyebrows, right? Sure it would. There would be no "diversity" and "multiculturalism", right? That is where the deception comes in. Americans are trained by the public school system to hyperactively be aware of diversity only if it is related to skin color.

Real diversity (the diversity of thought and ideas) is lost to Americans. That is why conservatives are being purged not only from the American university system, but the public school system, and no one is held accountable for it. The reasons are simple, as I explained above, but a conservative is not "welcome" teaching at the university and the public school. You may find a handful that have slipped through due to their own cleverness, but the ratio of conservatives to leftists in the public school system and the university will always be at least 9:1.

Not to stray off-topic, but let me give you an example of how powerful the NEA is and why the myth of local control over the public school system is just that--a myth. When the NEA wants a new school in a certain community, the "idea" is thrown out there to the local tax-payers. Now the idea may be something as insignificant as "we need more classrooms for smaller class-size", or it may be something as major as "we need a swimming pool like the community that is our neighbor to the north has for their children". Whatever the reason it all means the same thing in the end. When the NEA says a new school needs to go in some place, the community either "gets it" (the "people" agree completely), or other actions are taken. One of the most effective methods is getting the old school to lose its accreditation. Nothing lights the fire under the asses of local community tax-payers faster or builds momentum for a new school than one that is threatened to lose accreditation. Sally Soccer Mom wants her high-school kids to go to college, and Sally knows if her high school loses its accreditation that Sally's kid won't do as well as the kid whose school was accredited.

So the local community is then coerced to pay for a new school costing $50 - 100 million. Is that "local" control? No way. Like the hiring of non-conservatives in all facets of education, when the NEA waves its stick around, "the people" jump.

This particular debate has extensive depth to it so if you would like to discuss it in further detail or other topics, feel free to start them. But that is a sample of how the education game is played and how "local" is "never local".

The ACLU also sued to allow Neo-Nazis to march in a mainly Jewish neighborhood, Skokie, Illinois. They've also sued so that the Ku Klux Klan could march in various cities. Why shouldn't the American people know who is being held for terrorism? As for sex offenders, these names are not secret from the police and never have been, the problem of releasing names to the public is vigilante action against people who have already been punished for the crime as much as the law allows. What about longer sentences for sex offenders instead?

The ACLU will throw a lawyer at a some Nazi group to help them just to give the the ACLU an air of legitimacy. Anyone can "march" in this country for a "cause". The ACLU can do cases like that all day and not get hurt by them because those cases are no-brainers. Any idiot lawyer can walk into a court and prove a group has a right to march--the US Constitution already spells it out. What you are basically saying, which is pretty laughable, is that the ACLU is "centered" ideologically because they went to court to help some marginal Nazi group get rights they already had under the constitution. Pretty funny spin.

The terrorists that the ACLU sued to get the names of didn't want to be found out, as the criminal child-sex predators don't want to be found out. The US Justice Department gave all those terrorists that were held in confinement free access to telephones with numbers to call newspapers, etc. None of them wanted that. None of them made the "call", yet the ACLU by suing the government tried to make everyone think that these people were held "against their will" in total isolation and against the norms of due process. All those terrorists had telephones and open communications access.

At the same time, the ACLU sued to keep the names of criminal predators of children a "secret", the opposite to what they wanted with the terrorists. The family living next to a sexual predator doesn't willingly want to. It is hard for familes to "leave town" when they own a home in a community. It is also not the family's fault for the criminal child-predator to be out of prison anyway. That is the fault of apologist leftism and special interest groups who don't see criminal predators of children as that much of a threat in the community. The law-abiding do not have a say in how long a criminal sex predator of children has in jail and they never will. What they can do is find out where these predators live so they can keep their kids 1,000,000,000 miles away from them. They have that right. If leftists aren't willing to incarcerate these people, that isn't the law-abiding citizen's fault. Also, knowing where in the community these people live isn't "lynching" them or being a "vigilante". If vigilantism was a problem, there would not be any sex-predators of children alive, would there?

Do you have evidence that PETA claims that animals have more rights than humans?

There are too many to list but the most recent is PETA's laughable use of propaganda comparing the processing of animals into food a "holocaust". PETA was comparing the natural processing of animals to food with the Jewish Holocaust. That is unbelievably outrageous and openly shows that PETA believes that animals are of the same level if not superior to humans, a very dangerous mindset in reality, and of course, leftist.

How are the Earth Liberation Front and other green organizations ecoterrorists? Do they bomb buildings? Shoot executives like snipers? Can't they present their evidence like any other citizen?

But they burn buildings down and destroy property so much that the FBI has listed ELF as the top domestic terrorist threat in the United States. Do I need to link it?

How do homosexuals indoctrinate children? How do homosexuals terrorize hetrosexuals? Do they use bombings, shooting et?

Homosexual groups indoctrinate children so that children can be candidates for homosexual recruitment. For example, in a textbook that I acquired of a 3rd grade music class, the textbook instructs the teacher to allow and encourage male children to dance together so that they will be less hostile to such circumstances they may encounter in society. That is pretty laughable. Plus, pro-homosexual groups are prevelant at public schools giving "sex-ed" classes of all types to children. There are countless news articles on this as well. Since homosexuality is only an issue with less than 4% of the national population, why are 100% of the children in the public school system being indoctrinated into its training?

I'm not surprised that you use "feminazi", even though the Nazis themselves weren't feminist. How is "equal pay for equal work" undermining our country?

Women are paid equally. You are quoting a feminist myth. The term "feminazi" illustrates matriarchal totalitarianism, where the totalitarianism is fascist like the Nazis. It fits really well.

How do protest marches crush the economy? Isn't Freedom of Assembly guaranteed in our Constitution? Didn't the former Soviet Union and present China suppress this freedom violently? Shouldn't we be better than those countries and allow people to express opinions no matter how midguided and silly?

Duh, by stopping commerce.

Who are the leaders of the NAACP? Sorry, I'm not up on this.

Use a search engine and look it up. I am not going to do the easy things for you. Don't be lazy.

Even Fox network, Bush's cheerleaders in this war? Is Rush Limbaugh part of the Leftist elite because he is part of the major media?

Oh, so conservatives have two of ten thousand media outlets going and that is balance? Not.

From your list it sounds like the Leftist are a pretty big chunk of the country. Are you saying that our country should suppress all these people?

No, leftism always seeks to empower the few while terrorizing the many. Only a small group of folks in comparison to the populations they represent have true power in leftism. Read "The Black Book of Communism" for further details.

JK
 
With all due respect to JK, from my perspective the Tammy Bruce (whom I like) article paints with too broad a brush and covers too many non-specific issues to be the topic of a thread.

None the less, some of it resonated with me as it apparently did LukeT who brought up Mumia, a stone cold killer that for some on the left have decided is unjustly in prison. While terms like left and right are ambiguous and I always hesitate to use them, it does seem that for whatever reason it is left leaning folks that end up taking up the cause of some of the most heinous criminals. I guess because their logic goes something like, he's anti-establishment, I'm anti-establishment, we must be on the same side.

Mumia, is a perfect example of this. The evidence against him is very strong as put forth in the following web site:
http://www.danielfaulkner.com/
and discussed in this editorial:
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment050900b.html

And yet some on the left have decided to fight for this guy with a strategy based on a concious misrepresentation of facts.

Of course the unfairness of all of this is that a lot of people that consider themselves leftwing are embarrassed by Mumia's defenders and don't like the fact the political philosophy that they subscribe to has some leadership that engages in this sort of thing.

The same goes for the right though. I consider myself to be on the right but I don't agree with a lot of what is done and advocated by rightwing leadership. So maybe broad brush attacks against the left or the right like the one that started this thread are inherently unfair and serve better to rally the faithful than as a basis for discussion.
 

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