See post #54. Even if it were legal to check the load it would be easy to make it useless.
Merged Murder investigation in UK after 39 people found dead in lorry container
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See post #54. Even if it were legal to check the load it would be easy to make it useless.
Nessie
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Some the press reporting is frightening. This couple appear to be previous owners of the lorry tractor unit and that has been enough to make them headline news in The Metro;
https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/25/firs...eld-frozen-bodies-found-essex-lorry-10985350/
"A husband and wife named as the last known owners of a lorry containing the bodies of 39 migrants have been pictured. Joanna Maher and haulage firm boss Thomas Maher, both 38, were arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to traffic people and manslaughter earlier today. Police raided their £400,000 home in Warrington, Cheshire and their beauty salon around the corner, named New Hair Don’t Care. The pair, who remain in custody, said they sold the cab in October 2018 and had voluntarily gone to the police themselves."
https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/25/firs...eld-frozen-bodies-found-essex-lorry-10985350/
"A husband and wife named as the last known owners of a lorry containing the bodies of 39 migrants have been pictured. Joanna Maher and haulage firm boss Thomas Maher, both 38, were arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to traffic people and manslaughter earlier today. Police raided their £400,000 home in Warrington, Cheshire and their beauty salon around the corner, named New Hair Don’t Care. The pair, who remain in custody, said they sold the cab in October 2018 and had voluntarily gone to the police themselves."
Cainkane1
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This happens in America from time to time. People wanting into America illegally will often go to great lengths to get here. Many times, unfortunately, these folks end up crammed together in a truck and suffocated.
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And soon after the UK's economy collapses as every truck entering the country has a couple of extra hours added to its journey time. We discussed such delays up and their effects in the last Brexit thread.
commandlinegamer
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They may have stopped accessing dead people's phones, but little else seems to have changed in Fleet Street.
It is hazardous trying to help the police then. Why go voluntarily if involved?
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Finding it hard to make sense of this.
I doubt anyone intended for people to die, although negligence and indifference on part of one or more persons might've resulted in these deaths.
If they were involved with people smuggling, you could easily argue that it's in their interest to show the police that they weren't responsible for the deaths, especially if it's merely a matter of time before the cops come knocking on the front door anyways.
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Yes. By you.
Based on the research commissioned by the DfT and carried out by UCL as part of the Brexit planning.
Try comprehending the subject before commenting.
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If blame is going to be apportioned, then it lies primarily with those who incentivise and even encourage people to try and enter the UK and other Western countries illegally. ETA >> which starts those making government decisions on immigration policy and border management, but also includes apologists for uncontrolled mass-migration like the idiots progressives on this forum
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Eh ... I give it about a 2 out of 10 for trollcraft.
As much as I love your hysteria I was in England in 2000 and other years when massive fuel shortages were going on, truck drivers were doing blockades and people were panic buying.
Queues to petrol stations were about 1/2 a mile long
The economy didn't collapse
Matthew Best
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Yes that makes sense:
catsmate: If A happens the economy will collapse
cullennz: When B happened the economy didn't collapse!
Therefore: ......
catsmate: If A happens the economy will collapse
cullennz: When B happened the economy didn't collapse!
Therefore: ......
B was a worse scenario that actually happened than the imagined concept of A
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In the case of the refrigerated lorry, it would have taken seconds to open the door and look inside.
By making drivers more responsible for their load, the onus is on them not just to do a reasonable check of the load (if the lorry is packed with crates, I would not expect it to be unloaded and all the crates opened. I would also not expect to miss 10 people lying on top of the crates) but also to be more questioning about its origins, the paperwork, the possibility it is being used for smuggling.
As it is, if this driver is charged and his defence is that he did not know, but he gets convicted, then it very much in the interests of all drivers to be more careful.
If his defence of he did not know works, then sadly we have all drivers with an alliby and they can now turn a blind eye to a horrific crime. That is disgusting.
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It is odd and I suspect another example of the terrible press coverage of what has happened. There is a rush to get the most sensational headline and facts are clearly taking a secondary place.
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Questioning a previous keeper of a vehicle for which you have an owner who admits to ownership and a drive who admits to being the driver, is not an enquiry that I would expect so early in such an investigation. It is also not an enquiry that I would justify a house search.
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Except that B wasn't a worse scenario than A. Quite the opposite, in fact.
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Vixen
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I notice the police have proactively strongly denied they ever revealed the identity of the arrested (covering their backs). It would seem it was his friends and relatives of the 25-year old truck driver who revealed his ID to the press, and likewise, this 'Irish couple from Cheshire', who came out claiming they had contacted the police (and press, it seems). I note the Finnish newspapers haven't named them (or least, not my particular broadsheet).
I cannot help thinking the police are under pressure to make speedy arrests to bring the perps to justice and there may not as yet be anything concrete to link these people. Visions of the Gatwick 'drones' fiasco springs to mind when a couple plaster all over the front pages as being the perps of the pesky drones were freed without charge (it was the guy's boss/father-in-law who outed him).
In addition, by being allowed to reveal the suspect's age without breaking confidentiality ('man aged 48 arrested at Stansted, truck driver aged 25, parents flying to England') it is easy for people to work out who has been arrested. The couple 'aged 38' are so obviously the professed 'former owners' of the truck and they do have two grey Range Rovers with personalised number plates, a chevrolet sports car and a very nice house in a posh area, despite only running a hairdressing / beauty salon business.
Money launderers often set up businesses which are little more than a front to hide their real source of income.
I once perchanced to enter what looked like a grocery store in a seedy part of Kensal Rise. I was taken aback to see it was virtually empty and dark inside. I felt several dozen invisible eyes secretly watching me, it was unnerving, and I quickly hurried away from that area as fast as possible, remembering it was notorious for crime.