MGM UK

[sadhatter]

Yeah, people are only saying that my genitals were "mutilated". How could anyone perceive that as a reason I shouldn't be "proud of my body" or embarrassed? After all, in the opinions of those people in this very thread, that are stating verbatim what I'm stating now, I've been mutilated and my parents are stupid. Sure, nothing negative there.



The **** they can't:

Tattoo removal is easier than that procedure. By your logic parents should be able to tattoo their children.

You like your wang, we get it, it's the only one you have and your are not likely to get another, but can you not see how that would make you a little biased?

If someone was born without a hand they would likely get upset if you told them about how useful having two hands is. Especially if you talked like they had a choice in the matter. It's human nature, do you not think maybe this line of thinking would be able to extend to other body parts?

 

[plague311]

You have been mutilated, I can't see how you can disagree with that. In terms of possible mutilations it is of course no where near the worse mutilation and it is in your society one of the few legally acceptable mutilations a parent can have inflicted on their children.

But you are not responsible for what was done to you and no one should be telling you how you should feel about what was done to you. By all mean "embrace" it, by all means be proud about it and be certain you prefer being the way you are - you have every right to have that opinion and anyone who tells you you don't should be the ones who are ashamed of themselves.

As for the comments about your parents - I have no idea of their reasoning etc. but do keep in mind that even the most intelligent people can and do make stupid decisions.

I don't believe they made a "stupid" decision. YOU think they made a stupid decision. Which, as you've stated, is completely your right and opinion. I don't agree with it as I also had my son circumcised. That's the tough part about calling people stupid for making their own decisions. It can be applied to anything and everything that one disagrees with, even when it comes to your choices as a parent.

As I stated before, I can't think of a single situation where I am worse off or where it would have benefited me to have my foreskin. I don't view myself as "mutilated", again, YOU view me as mutilated. Just as you can't imagine how I don't agree with that, I also can't imagine why you would imagine that. I've never once had someone look at it and say, "Man, that thing has been absolutely mutilated." In fact, I've never had a comment on it either way. Even with my non "mutilated" friends, it's never come up. They've never told me how completely sweet having a foreskin can be, and there's nothing I've lost from having it removed. There's nothing I can do that someone with a foreskin can't, and vice versa.

That is at best a cosmetic not a functional restoration. We have no way currently to undo the nerve damage caused by a circumcision.

Something was implied, I showed that wasn't true. I guess we can argue shades of grey though.

 

[plague311]

Tattoo removal is easier than that procedure. By your logic parents should be able to tattoo their children.

I...I can't even. Ok, whatever LoL. That leap in logic is unhinged to me, but you seem to believe it, so ok. Apparently, I'm all for tattooing a baby.

You like your wang, we get it, it's the only one you have and your are not likely to get another, but can you not see how that would make you a little biased?

You mean, like you having your foreskin and holding the opposite view? Is that what you mean? Or is this going to somehow be different because....words? I have a feeling I know where this is headed.

If someone was born without a hand they would likely get upset if you told them about how useful having two hands is. Especially if you talked like they had a choice in the matter. It's human nature, do you not think maybe this line of thinking would be able to extend to other body parts?

Terrible analogy. Is foreskin used in almost every single event that you participate in during your day? Does having foreskin help you perform better at a job? Does it effect your cooking, cleaning, climbing, play time, activities, etc?

I mean seriously. Wow.

 

[sadhatter]

I don't believe they made a "stupid" decision. YOU think they made a stupid decision. Which, as you've stated, is completely your right and opinion. I don't agree with it as I also had my son circumcised. That's the tough part about calling people stupid for making their own decisions. It can be applied to anything and everything that one disagrees with, even when it comes to your choices as a parent.

As I stated before, I can't think of a single situation where I am worse off or where it would have benefited me to have my foreskin. I don't view myself as "mutilated", again, YOU view me as mutilated. Just as you can't imagine how I don't agree with that, I also can't imagine why you would imagine that. I've never once had someone look at it and say, "Man, that thing has been absolutely mutilated." In fact, I've never had a comment on it either way. Even with my non "mutilated" friends, it's never come up. They've never told me how completely sweet having a foreskin can be, and there's nothing I've lost from having it removed. There's nothing I can do that someone with a foreskin can't, and vice versa.



Something was implied, I showed that wasn't true. I guess we can argue shades of grey though.

So you are arguing that you know what having a part of your body that you have never had, would be like?

That's not very logical. At all.

You had a choice removed, you can no more know if you would prefer having a foreskin than I could know if claws would be something I'd have use for.

Now if you had one and disliked it you could then have it removed, how is giving someone a choice a bad thing?

 

[sadhatter]

I...I can't even. Ok, whatever LoL. That leap in logic is unhinged to me, but you seem to believe it, so ok. Apparently, I'm all for tattooing a baby.



You mean, like you having your foreskin and holding the opposite view? Is that what you mean? Or is this going to somehow be different because....words? I have a feeling I know where this is headed.



Terrible analogy. Is foreskin used in almost every single event that you participate in during your day? Does having foreskin help you perform better at a job? Does it effect your cooking, cleaning, climbing, play time, activities, etc?

I mean seriously. Wow.

The thing is, if I ever wanted to remove mine I could. So emotion is out of it for me. I have options, if I did dislike my wang I could change it. Who knows maybe I will later in life.

Hell , if you managed to convince me today ,I could set up an appointment to become part of the cut club. If the reverse happened, you would still be stuck. Can't you see how that might make you a little less logical about the situation?

And explain how an under the shirt tattoo would be any worse for a child than this. I'll wait.

 

[Darat]

I don't believe they made a "stupid" decision. YOU think they made a stupid decision. Which, as you've stated, is completely your right and opinion. I don't agree with it as I also had my son circumcised. That's the tough part about calling people stupid for making their own decisions. It can be applied to anything and everything that one disagrees with, even when it comes to your choices as a parent.

You are the one seemingly hung up about "stupid". As I said I don't know the reasoning your parents or you made about circumcision, you may have had plenty of good reasons for your choices, for example your child required the surgery to help ameliorate a medical condition.

As I stated before, I can't think of a single situation where I am worse off or where it would have benefited me to have my foreskin.

During sex you cannot get the pleasure a non-circumcised man can get when his foreskin is played with. You simply don't have the functionality to have that enjoyment because a decision was made (presumably for non medical reasons) to have a very nerve rich part of your penis removed.

I don't view myself as "mutilated", again, YOU view me as mutilated.

Your body was surgically altered for non-medical reasons removing healthy tissue and functionality, it is hard to understand how that wasn't mutilation.

Just as you can't imagine how I don't agree with that, I also can't imagine why you would imagine that. I've never once had someone look at it and say, "Man, that thing has been absolutely mutilated." In fact, I've never had a comment on it either way. Even with my non "mutilated" friends, it's never come up. They've never told me how completely sweet having a foreskin can be, and there's nothing I've lost from having it removed. There's nothing I can do that someone with a foreskin can't, and vice versa. ...snip...

That something is normalised in a society does not mean it is OK.

 

[plague311]

So you are arguing that you know what having a part of your body that you have never had, would be like?

No, that's not what I'm saying, and you appear to be having a real problem understanding my points. Is there something I can do to make it more clear?

That's not very logical. At all.

No ****** I'm glad that's not what I'm doing then.

You had a choice removed, you can no more know if you would prefer having a foreskin than I could know if claws would be something I'd have use for.

No, I had a choice that was left up to my parents, that they made for me. The same way they made other choices for me. They decided what food I should eat, where I should go play, what rides I should go on at the fair, where I should go to school and so on. All of those things also effected my body. What my weight is, the habits I grew up with, etc. As a kid, I had a trillion choices removed for me, some that definitely bothered me more than dick skin.

Now if you had one and disliked it you could then have it removed, how is giving someone a choice a bad thing?

Because parents make choices based on what they think is best. My parents made that choice, and it's worked out for me really well. It's not something I sit and think about on a long term basis, and it creeps me out on some level that other people do. It's cultural.

 

[plague311]

You are the one seemingly hung up about "stupid". As I said I don't know the reasoning your parents or you made about circumcision, you may have had plenty of good reasons for your choices, for example your child required the surgery to help ameliorate a medical condition.

You said intelligent people make stupid decisions. I was merely replying to your words. If that's not what you meant, or I somehow got it out of context then I can go back and apologize.

During sex you cannot get the pleasure a non-circumcised man can get when his foreskin is played with. You simply don't have the functionality to have that enjoyment because a decision was made (presumably for non medical reasons) to have a very nerve rich part of your penis removed.

This is something I hear whenever this conversation is brought, but ok I'll play along. An uncircumcised man also can't experience the things that I can either. Is he losing out or in your scenario is he automatically a peg up because his sex is different than mine? I also can't experience several other things people can because of certain changes, should I also have those regrets? My sex is filled from top to bottom with pleasure, you're right in that I have no frame of reference, but again, it's never caused a problem.

Your body was surgically altered for non-medical reasons removing healthy tissue and functionality, it is hard to understand how that wasn't mutilation.

Honestly, I have no idea why my parents did it. I've really and truly never bothered to ask because it would be an extremely awkward conversation to have, but to each their own.

That something is normalised in a society does not mean it is OK.

You're right, but it doesn't inherently mean it's a stupid decision either. Which seems to be the implication at this point.

 

[plague311]

The thing is, if I ever wanted to remove mine I could. So emotion is out of it for me. I have options, if I did dislike my wang I could change it. Who knows maybe I will later in life.

Hell , if you managed to convince me today ,I could set up an appointment to become part of the cut club. If the reverse happened, you would still be stuck. Can't you see how that might make you a little less logical about the situation?

I just posted that you can get it back. It's been pointed out that it would be cosmetic, but either way I could do it. Using this strange tattoo analogy, the scar from that is never gone either.

I don't think I'm being illogical at all. I guess by your standards I have no right to be in this conversation since I'm automatically "less logical" by default. Thanks for that. It's a weird ass stance to take, but thanks for throwing it out there.

And explain how an under the shirt tattoo would be any worse for a child than this. I'll wait.

It's starting to sound an awful like you have no issues tattooing a baby.

 

[Darat]

You said intelligent people make stupid decisions. I was merely replying to your words. If that's not what you meant, or I somehow got it out of context then I can go back and apologize.

That's OK.

This is something I hear whenever this conversation is brought, but ok I'll play along. An uncircumcised man also can't experience the things that I can either. Is he losing out or in your scenario is he automatically a peg up because his sex is different than mine? I also can't experience several other things people can because of certain changes, should I also have those regrets? My sex is filled from top to bottom with pleasure, you're right in that I have no frame of reference, but again, it's never caused a problem.

What can't a non-circumcised man experience everything you can? What is it you think a non-circumcised male can't experience but you can?

Even if for the sake of argument we allow that there is something a non-circumcised man can't experience they can make the decision that would allow them to experience it, you will never be able to have the reverse choice.

Honestly, I have no idea why my parents did it. I've really and truly never bothered to ask because it would be an extremely awkward conversation to have, but to each their own.

Out of pure idle curiosity and it is a sincerely asked question why would it be an "extremely awkward conversation to have"?

You're right, but it doesn't inherently mean it's a stupid decision either. Which seems to be the implication at this point.

It would depend on why the reasons behind the decision as to whether the decision itself was stupid or something else.

 

[Darat]

I just posted that you can get it back. It's been pointed out that it would be cosmetic, but either way I could do it. ...snip..

No you could not. You can get some of the appearance but you cannot regenerate the nerves and other fine structures. Having your foreskin "restored" would not enable you to experience what a non-circumcised man experiences. And your previous scars would remain.

 

[plague311]

What can't a non-circumcised man experience everything you can? What is it you think a non-circumcised male can't experience but you can?

*shrug* That's a question I have absolutely no ability to answer as it's an experience I don't have. I don't know what it feels like for them, etc.

Even if for the sake of argument we allow that there is something a non-circumcised man can't experience they can make the decision that would allow them to experience it, you will never be able to have the reverse choice.

Right, but they can only make that choice once. They can't experience it and go back. I'll pose a serious question myself, what is a non-circumcised man getting that I'm not? I assure you, the pleasure or nerve feeling has never, ever been an issue. The idea that I should be experiencing more actually feeling makes me slightly thankful that it was removed. I'm good where I'm at, I think. Again, it's not something I put a ton of thought into or that I have any regrets about.

Out of pure idle curiosity and it is a sincerely asked question why would it be an "extremely awkward conversation to have"?

That's how my family is and how we've always been. I'm sure for others it wouldn't be, but I can't imagine bringing the topic up. It's also something I just don't really care to have the answer to. They did it because they thought it's what was best. I'm not upset, regretful about it and I don't have any issues with regards to it being done. If I did, maybe it would be something I'd dive into, but it's really not.

It would depend on why the reasons behind the decision as to whether the decision itself was stupid or something else.

I don't think it was stupid so, again, that's why I've never asked. They do the halfway religious thing, but we never attended church every Sunday. My mom is a registered nurse that's practiced for something like 40 years on and off.

 

[GlennB]

"It's cultural" - translation: "It's what my tribe does"

MrsB is of the "Welsh Druid tribe", who strongly believe in snipping off the small toe of the left foot of baby girls (some men find this attractive in an adult female) - it doesn't bother the baby for very long and doesn't have much impact, if any, on her function in later life. I talked MrsB out of this when our daughter was born, and the girl herself decided against the operation when the time came. Some young lady Druids agree to it, for "cultural reasons".

So (and fair enough) it all comes down to the severity of that cultural practice, to an extent at least. But, in the end, if the tribal practice can be a voluntary act by an adult who identifies as a member of that tribe then I can see no logical reason to foist it upon an infant who has no choice in the matter and might later regret it.

 

[plague311]

"It's cultural" - translation: "It's what my tribe does"

MrsB is of the "Welsh Druid tribe", who strongly believe in snipping off the small toe of the left foot of baby girls (some men find this attractive in an adult female) - it doesn't bother the baby for very long and doesn't have much impact, if any, on her function in later life. I talked MrsB out of this when our daughter was born, and the girl herself decided against the operation when the time came. Some young lady Druids agree to it, for "cultural reasons".

So (and fair enough) it all comes down to the severity of that cultural practice, to an extent at least. But, in the end, if the tribal practice can be a voluntary act by an adult who identifies as a member of that tribe then I can see no logical reason to foist it upon an infant who has no choice in the matter and might later regret it.

Well, to each their own I guess. You might not see a logical reason, and nothing I say will ever get you to agree with me. I think I'll take my leave from this conversation.

 

[Belgian thought]

"It's cultural" - translation: "It's what my tribe does"

MrsB is of the "Welsh Druid tribe", who strongly believe in snipping off the small toe of the left foot of baby girls (some men find this attractive in an adult female) - it doesn't bother the baby for very long and doesn't have much impact, if any, on her function in later life. I talked MrsB out of this when our daughter was born, and the girl herself decided against the operation when the time came. Some young lady Druids agree to it, for "cultural reasons".

So (and fair enough) it all comes down to the severity of that cultural practice, to an extent at least. But, in the end, if the tribal practice can be a voluntary act by an adult who identifies as a member of that tribe then I can see no logical reason to foist it upon an infant who has no choice in the matter and might later regret it.

Agreed - there is no logic starting point that can justify it except by (now) cherry picking medical evidence that it is good/better.

When one takes it to tribal/religious beginnings, there is no logic to it at all and hence people walk away from the discussion with their apologetic mutilated tails between their legs.

 

[abaddon]

And for how long exactly should my prison sentence be?

The same as for FGM. No?

 

[theprestige]

I'm pretty sure this entire thread needs to be actioned for breach of the "no personalization" rule of the MA.

This signature is intended to irradiate people.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

And for how long exactly should my prison sentence be?

What's the prison sentence for mutilating the genitals of 2 adults?

Do you think it should be more or less for doing it to defenseless newborns who cannot possibly give informed* consent?

* I'm aware that most adult American males probably also fail on being informed about sexual anatomy.

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[angrysoba]

I'm pretty sure this entire thread needs to be actioned for breach of the "no personalization" rule of the MA.

This signature is intended to irradiate people.

Most of the posters here are against the attack on members.

 

[Belgian thought]

Most of the posters here are against the attack on members.

Oh and, BTW, mine is snipped.