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Mass shooting at Bondi Beach

For those who need it pointed out, hatred of Jews was the reason for the attack. I didn’t think it needed to be explained.
And why do you think hatred of Jews is provoking antisemitic attacks right now?

Not to mention the Islamic Ahmed Al Ah Ed who actually tackled one of the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ gunmen. It seems that a good counter to a bad guy with a gun is a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ hero without one.
There has been no reference to his religion, but his name is Ahmed Al Ahmed. Some wag on Reddit suggested that he deserves a third Ahmed.
 
You answered your own question: antisemitism.

If you want to know what motivated that antisemitism, the teachings of Islam. Israel is an excuse, not the reason.
What do you think made these two clearly antisemitic people decide to pick up their guns and shoot up a Chanukah festival?

Sadly these attacks on Jews are not unique.
This particular attack absolutely is unique. Nothing on this level has been seen before. Why did they do it? Why did they do it here and why did they do it now? I suspect that we'll never get definitive answers to these questions, but I speculate that it could be retaliation for Israel's actions in Gaza. I have no proof of this, but it would not surprise me if it were true.
 
Australia
That's the kind of nonsense apologists love to spout. Terrorist attacks against Jews have regularly happened without Israel doing much of anything. The Hypercasher supermarket shooting in Paris in 2015 is one example …
Australia hasn't had a mass terrorist attack against the Jewish community before and I had been hopeful we never would.

There have been attacks on buildings and graffiti but no mass violence.

The general mass murders up to now have been from the mentally ill loners.

There has been some violence between different ethnic groups when there has been trouble overseas such as between Greeks and Turks or Yugoslavians when that country broke up. However, up to now Australia has managed to contain such foreign inspired conflict being replicated here.
 
And why do you think hatred of Jews is provoking antisemitic attacks right now?
It looks to me that you are committed to “understand” the reasons for the attack. I’m not going to play that stupid game. I don’t give a ◊◊◊◊ about what reasons those evil cowards had bouncing around their heads. I do detest victim blaming though.
 
It looks to me that you are committed to “understand” the reasons for the attack. I’m not going to play that stupid game. I don’t give a ◊◊◊◊ about what reasons those evil cowards had bouncing around their heads. I do detest victim blaming though.
I'm not blaming the victims. What could I blame them for? Being Jewish? No. The blame for the attacks is entirely on the father and son who made the conscious decision to take their licensed firearms out of their storage, travel to where they knew a Chanukah festival had started, and open fire on the crowd. Nobody is to blame but them. Nobody.

I hope that's clear and you can stop making scurrilous accusations against me. Please acknowledge that you have understood.
 
I am perfectly aware of the fact that everything and anything will be used to excuse, justify, banalise or minimise antisemitic atrocities, using the despicable practice of hiding them by more or less openly calling them justified retaliation.

I do understand your outrage. I'm outraged as well. I despise all violence, and my outrage on this one is exactly 0.02857% of the outrage I feel at Gazans being massacred.

Try looking at your own words like this:

I am perfectly aware of the fact that everything and anything will be used to excuse, justify, banalise or minimise atrocities in Gaza, using the despicable practice of hiding them by more or less openly calling them justified retaliation.

I've been seeing that for two years now, so it works for me.

And what, exactly, did the people killed or wounded today sow, so that they would expect such a harvest?
Other than being Jews, that is?

Srsly? Trying to be clever fails the sniff test.

The people at Bondi almost certainly did nothing to deserve their fate, although I'm sure many of them were ardent supporters of the genocide. I can't say I've met a single Jew or Israeli yet who's prepared to criticise the action. I know they're out there, but I definitely haven't seen them personally.

The mere fact that antisemitic attacks have increased and the equally-obvious fact that some people would equate Judaism with the actions of the corrupt criminal, Netanyahu - and his thugs in the Knesset - might have given them the expectation that something like this could happen. And don't try for a second to suggest that Netanyahu and those thugs didn't know this would be an outcome or give a single damn that it would. They'll be safe under their Iron Dome.

I'm picking the parents of kids who died at Sandy Hook, Parkland and Brown didn't expect it either, but such is the world we live in.
 
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Nice to see the amoral Fox news presenters trying to use this tragedy to attack the British government
And Netanyahu knows who’s to blame, Anthony Albanese
The Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, said he had written to his Australian counterpart, Anthony Albanese, in August, warning that the government’s decision to recognise a Palestinian state “pours fuel on the antisemitic fire … emboldens those who menace Australian Jews and encourages the Jew hatred now stalking your streets”. He claimed Albanese had “replaced weakness with weakness and appeasement with more appeasement”.


“Your government did nothing to stop the spread of antisemitism in Australia. You did nothing to curb the cancer cells that were growing inside your country. You took no action. You let the disease spread and the result is the horrific attacks on Jews we saw today.”
 
What do you think made these two clearly antisemitic people decide to pick up their guns and shoot up a Chanukah festival?


This particular attack absolutely is unique. Nothing on this level has been seen before. Why did they do it? Why did they do it here and why did they do it now? I suspect that we'll never get definitive answers to these questions, but I speculate that it could be retaliation for Israel's actions in Gaza. I have no proof of this, but it would not surprise me if it were true.
I can see that you are desperate for a justification, and Gaza does it for you.

Sorry to break this to you, but antisemitism and killing of Jews have been around for centuries. Hatred is the one thing that connects the attacks. If Gaza and its history was to disappear today, the attacks would still happen.
 
I can see that you are desperate for a justification, and Gaza does it for you.
Reason, not justification.

Sorry to break this to you, but antisemitism and killing of Jews have been around for centuries. Hatred is the one thing that connects the attacks. If Gaza and its history was to disappear today, the attacks would still happen.
Acknowledged. This particular antisemitic terrorist attack is unique in Australia's recent history. And you can at least acknowledge that antisemitism has been on the rise since the Gaza attacks.

 
Relevant excerpt from the above article:

Pulling the trigger would have come at the end of a process of dehumanisation that begins well before even swastikas are painted on the walls of synagogues, or schoolchildren are insulted at a bus stop.

Security officials have been warning for some time that the Gaza conflict has prompted a wave of extremist radicalisation across the Islamic world and well beyond. Last year, then US director of national intelligence, Avril Haines, said the war “will have a generational impact on terrorism”.

The most recent report of the UN committee overseeing sanctions on members of al-Qaida and Islamic State noted that “the Gaza and Israel conflict” still featured prominently in terrorist propaganda, and that “in the US, there were several alleged terrorist attack plots, largely motivated by the Gaza and Israel conflict or individuals inspired and radicalised by [IS]”.

This will be a key focus of investigators.

So stop pretending that Gaza has nothing to do with the rise in antisemitism.
 
What do you think made these two clearly antisemitic people decide to pick up their guns and shoot up a Chanukah festival?
I already told you. What about my answer doesn't suffice?
This particular attack absolutely is unique. Nothing on this level has been seen before.
That might be true in Australia. It is not true globally. This scale of attack is actually pretty pedestrian by global standards. It's a regular occurrence elsewhere. Have you been paying attention to what's going on in Nigeria?
Why did they do it? Why did they do it here
They did it in Australia because that's where they live.
and why did they do it now? I suspect that we'll never get definitive answers to these questions
They did it now because it's during a Jewish religious holiday. Islamic terrorists like to kill Jews on Jewish holidays.
,but I speculate that it could be retaliation for Israel's actions in Gaza. I have no proof of this, but it would not surprise me if it were true.
Again, that may be the excuse, but it's not the reason.
 
I can see that you are desperate for a justification, and Gaza does it for you.

Sorry to break this to you, but antisemitism and killing of Jews have been around for centuries. Hatred is the one thing that connects the attacks. If Gaza and its history was to disappear today, the attacks would still happen.
Have you heard of the crusades, the holocaust? Hatred of others is not unique to one particular religion. Christians certainly killed Jews and Muslims (and other christians). if you read the bible you'll read about Jews destroying whole cultures. We need to move beyond blaming a religion and accepting the fault is in ourselves, as humans.

ETA mostly the male portion of humans.
 
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So stop pretending that Gaza has nothing to do with the rise in antisemitism.
So? Hamas started the war over 2 years ago and did absolutely nothing to stop it, sacrificing thousands of people they profess to govern. I believe Hamas is ultimately culpable for the toll of this war.

More relevant is what the government is going to do about antisemitism. The Victorian government could have helped by preventing the weekly (no exaggeration) marches of the “from the river to the sea” brigade through the streets of Melbourne. Universities need to get serious about the abuse of Jews on their campuses. The growing far-right groups need to be outlawed (as bikie gangs have been) and their members jailed.

But if it feels better to have Gaza as a “reason”, fill your boots and make sure you have another “reason” when “retaliation” occurs.

What you won’t see, though, is groups of Jews attacking Muslims in our streets.
 
So? Hamas started the war over 2 years ago and did absolutely nothing to stop it, sacrificing thousands of people they profess to govern. I believe Hamas is ultimately culpable for the toll of this war.
More relevant is what the government is going to do about antisemitism. The Victorian government could have helped by preventing the weekly (no exaggeration) marches of the “from the river to the sea” brigade through the streets of Melbourne. Universities need to get serious about the abuse of Jews on their campuses. The growing far-right groups need to be outlawed (as bikie gangs have been) and their members jailed.

But if it feels better to have Gaza as a “reason”, fill your boots and make sure you have another “reason” when “retaliation” occurs.

What you won’t see, though, is groups of Jews attacking Muslims in our streets.
If you truly think the war started only two years ago you are sadly ignorant of the last eighty years of history. The war may have flared two years ago but it certainly didn't start two years ago. Hamas did make several overtures to make peace with Israel prior to the current events; rejected by Israel. 'From the sea to the river' is the policy of Likud the party of the current Israeli prime minister. Why should it be wrong for Arabs to have 'from the river to the sea' as a policy but acceptable for the Israeli government to have 'the Sea to the River' as a policy?

Why are there no reports of the daily attacks by Jewish terrorists on Christian and Muslim arabs?

Maybe you won't see Jews attacking Muslims in 'our streets', but you could see it on the streets of Israel, the West Bank and Gaza if you looked. Thousands being killed. Thousands of Muslim children killed by Jews.

Violence is wrong no matter who does it; but especially if it is done by state agencies.
 

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