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Lee Statue goes down in Charolttesvile

I hope they legally take all of the Confederate-related statues down. Mainly because I am generally tired of hearing people complain about them...especially those people who had no problem with them until it became a political hot-button.

Why do I specify "legally"? Well, because there is a lot of stuff displayed that I don't like, but I am not going out to vandalize it and tear it down. Endorsing that type of behavior is a slippery slope, at best.
 
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Warp12 said:
I hope they legally take all of the Confederate-related statues down. Mainly because I am generally tired of hearing people complain about them...especially those people who had no problem with them until it became a political hot-button.

Why do I specify "legally"? Well, because their is a lot of stuff displayed that I don't like, but I am not going out to vandalize it and tear it down. Endorsing that type of behavior is a slippery slope, at best.
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You realize that the state governments have made it nearly impossible for cities to remove the offending statues, yes? These removals were legal AFAIK, but they must have had to go through hellfire or trickery to get them removed.

Always easy to claim things should be done “legally” when you’ve made a minefield out of the legal process.
 
JoeMorgue said:
The "legally" modifier is him saying he wants the statues to stay up.
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False. I made it exactly clear why I prefer it to be done through a legal process.

Warp12 said:
Why do I specify "legally"? Well, because there is a lot of stuff displayed that I don't like, but I am not going out to vandalize it and tear it down. Endorsing that type of behavior is a slippery slope, at best.
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Planigale said:
I accept that the sculptors and donators intent with these statues was merely to 'honour' local famous people. But at the time that the statues were commissioned the context of other statues raised to the same people was to celebrate racial segregation and the old south. It is impossible to know that some of those who supported the commissioning of these statues did not also have these views in mind.
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We don't have to guess about that. The statues were commissioned by Paul Goodloe McIntire and created by Charles Keck of the National Sculpture Society. McIntire also donated land for the Booker T. Washington Park.

It is probably not a coincidence that the statues went up when they did. Charlottesville was racist and the KKK there was on the rise. Supporters of the Confederacy supported the statues by attending opening ceremonies. They aren't overtly racist like some other statues. They are more toward the historical side of local White heroes, but they aren't exactly not racist either.

Planigale said:
Certainly these would perhaps be best viewed as part of a broad movement of celebrating the confederacy and the racial discrimination / white superiority when many similar statues were commissioned in other places about that time. This is certainly the context in which I think the statues should be presented.
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Perhaps. These statues seem a bit different. Other statues have no local connection and clearly serve no historical importance and were obviously meant simply to display White dominance and a reminder of slavery. These kind of fulfill that purpose also but that isn't the only purpose and don't explicitly glorify the Civil War and have a local and historical significance. That makes them significantly different than the others. But still problematic to the point that they should be removed from public spaces.
 
Warp12 said:
False. I made it exactly clear why I prefer it to be done through a legal process.
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Okay. I totally believe you.

I'm sure you are actively fighting, say North Carolina, making it literally illegal to take the statue down, leaving no "legal process" that is so... important to you.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Okay. I totally believe you.

I'm sure you are actively fighting, say North Carolina, making it literally illegal to take the statue down, leaving no "legal process" that is so... important to you.
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Are you stating that you endorse vandalizing and tearing down these statues, regardless of law?
 
Warp12 said:
Why do I specify "legally"? Well, because there is a lot of stuff displayed that I don't like, but I am not going out to vandalize it and tear it down. Endorsing that type of behavior is a slippery slope, at best.
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JoeMorgue said:
Okay. I totally believe you.

I'm sure you are actively fighting, say North Carolina, making it literally illegal to take the statue down, leaving no "legal process" that is so... important to you.
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Warp12 said:
Are you stating that you endorse vandalizing and tearing down these statues, regardless of law?
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JoeMorgue said:
Not playing that game.
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No problem, I expected you to scamper off.
 
Warp12 said:
No problem, I expected you to scamper off.
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I'm just not having the exact same word-for-word racist-traitor apologetic 20 question game for the 50th time.

What's the next card you're gonna play? "But dah civil war wasn't really about slavery?" or "But the Left is really the violent side because they riot!" one?
 
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JoeMorgue said:
I'm just not having the exact same word-for-word racist-traitor apologetic 20 question game for the 50th time.

What's the next card you're gonna play? "But dah civil war wasn't really about slavery?" or "But the Left is really the violent side because they riot!" one?
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Warp12 said:
Are you stating that you endorse vandalizing and tearing down these statues, regardless of law?
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Just answer the question.
 
Warp12 said:
Just answer the question.
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The statues should not be up. If the government drags its feet on taking them down, I'm fine with the citizenry doing it.

You may now clutch your pearls and pretend it's not because you're making excuses for keeping the statues up.
 
JoeMorgue said:
The statues should not be up. If the government drags its feet on taking them down, I'm fine with the citizenry doing it.
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Thank you for admitting that you are ok with people disregarding the law, when it suits your personal beliefs, or agenda.
 
Warp12 said:
Thank you for admitting that you are ok with people disregarding the law, when it suits your personal beliefs, or agenda.
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You're adorable.

Yeah, you sure got me sport. I walked right into your cunning argumentative trap.
 
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I'm sure Warp12 is equally critical of the Capital Rioters. I am so sure of this that I know without even looking that the Capital Rioter thread is full, just full I say, of him taking them to task.

I mean to suggest otherwise is just crazy talk.
 
Warp12 said:
I hope they legally take all of the Confederate-related statues down. Mainly because I am generally tired of hearing people complain about them...especially those people who had no problem with them until it became a political hot-button.

Why do I specify "legally"? Well, because there is a lot of stuff displayed that I don't like, but I am not going out to vandalize it and tear it down. Endorsing that type of behavior is a slippery slope, at best.
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And these statues WERE legally taken down. So your point is?
 
JoeMorgue said:
I reminder to black people that they only get treated with basic respect on his terms, not theirs.
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Incorrect. Or, are you saying that doing things illegally is, "on their terms"?
 
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