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I HATE, HATE, *HATE* GOOGLE!

Tsukasa Buddha said:
So since YouTube is one of the sites that offers paid subscription instead of ads, I wonder how all the adblock users in this thread justify their use of adblockers?
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Because advertisers on the internet raced for the bottom of the barrel, knocked it out, and have been madly digging ever since.

Tsukasa Buddha said:
BS. You have the control to not use their product. It is ridiculous that you are comparing a voluntary exchange of services as "rape".
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What part of "YouTube is the only place where I can get this content" do you not understand?

And any data aggregator would be suicidal to sell their information to third parties, they sell the ability to use their services for marketing based on that data.
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That, I suspect, is true.

And you are paying for the server farms that host the content you are watching.
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GOOG (Alphabet, Inc) made a net income of USD 16 billion in the 12 months ending December 31, 2015. That's profit (i.e. revenue minus expenses.) Please forgive me if my heart isn't bleeding for them.
 
Aepervius said:
Are you sure it was from youtube and not from the video author ? Those annotation you can close are usually from the video author itself, not from youtube...
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ehcks said:
Did you try to turn off Annotations on the video menu?
Can you link the video to see if anyone else can find the problem?
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Donn said:
That "i Suggested ..." thing is added by the person who made the video. It's an "annotation". If you go to the gear icon you can switch them off. The "ad" then goes away.
(AFAICT. From South Africa, with uBlock running.)
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theprestige said:
The one Donn described, regarding annotations.
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Donn said:
Seriously. Whatever the source, it's an annotation. Switch them off in the YouTube settings. It should go away.
AFAIK, ad blockers do not fiddle with annotations. Could be wrong though.
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Thanks, all. Yes, it was an annotation ... a feature YouTube introduced eight years ago to allow people add speech bubbles, explanatory notes, titles, and labels to their videos.

Yeah, right. They only thing they seem to be good for is adding crap that isn't really relevant to the video you're watching, like "Visit my site," "Like me on Facebook," "Join my channel!" This was a feature of YouTube I wasn't really familiar with, because I actually don't watch it very often ... I hated having to look at all that extra useless junk cluttering up the videos!

I'm right now trying to figure out the best way to report the vandalism on the Manitoba Hydro video. I'd be very surprised if Hydro put it on there themselves.
 
JesseCuster said:
The OP's rage seems very disproportionate considering that the ad in question consists of a tiny white block with text in it, takes up a small area in one corner of the video and lasts for a total of 5 seconds before disappearing.
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I was angry because Google makes money hand over fist by selling ads, and at the time it appeared they had found yet another way to screw YouTube users (a company they bought) with even more ads in addition to what they were already splashing everywhere else.
 
Babbylonian said:
It's Google, and whenever Google tries to turn a profit it means that they're evil...to be fair, I don't know if the OP follows this pattern but it seems at the heart of so many Google complaints I see online. (respectful snip)
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A lot of the animosity toward Google is not that they are profitable (rather obscenely so, it appears), but they went from their original position of "don't be evil" to vaccuuming up vast hordes of what many people believe to be personal data (what sites I've visisted, what pages I viewed, what my emails contain) and using it as a way to shove ads in our faces.

They've also worked very hard to be a one-stop service for the Internet, which gives them enormous power over people foolish enough to trust them with a user account and put all their digital eggs into the Google basket.
 
Blue Mountain said:
Because advertisers on the internet raced for the bottom of the barrel, knocked it out, and have been madly digging ever since.
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You crossed the line first, sir. You squeezed providers and content creators, you hammered them to the point of desperation. And in their desperation, they turned to methods that were more intrusive, coercive, deceitful, and which provided less freedom for information to spread.

What part of "YouTube is the only place where I can get this content" do you not understand?
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The part where that is rape or rape adjacent. And what free energy powered servers might that mine bitcoin for the creators would they turn to instead?

GOOG (Alphabet, Inc) made a net income of USD 16 billion in the 12 months ending December 31, 2015. That's profit (i.e. revenue minus expenses.) Please forgive me if my heart isn't bleeding for them.
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And Alphabet saves hopeless investments for moonshot projects. If YouTube or the content providers on it can't make a profit, say goodbye to the content you want to watch.

It is simply irrational to not take up subscriptions instead of ads for services and content that you want.
 
I am far from an expert on this subject, but I just wanted to add a quick note to point out that often some of the ad revenue goes to the producer of the video. By using AdBlock etc. their income is reduced, which may threaten their ability to produce videos in the future.

The model changes quite a lot, and it depends on what kind of account is producing the content, but I seem to recall that one fairly large producer of YouTube content suggested that something like 50% of viewers of his content never see the ads, and therefore he gets zero income from their view.

I'm saying this is right or wrong, just that in some cases, those ads are there for a reason, and they can actually help to keep content going.
 
Big Google fan, since my first email accounts when it was invite only. Useful search engine, at home I mostly use a Chromebook. Easy to use cloud based stuff, even for a virtual luddite.

But I might have to reconsider my position if they make those evil profit things.
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
You crossed the line first, sir. You squeezed providers and content creators, you hammered them to the point of desperation. And in their desperation, they turned to methods that were more intrusive, coercive, deceitful, and which provided less freedom for information to spread.
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I completely disagree with this statement. The advertisers got greedy. They went from simple text ads, to rotating GIFs, to pop-ups, pop-unders, to full screen animations that cover up the content. They add sound to the page--sometimes on tabs you're not viewing., so you have to go hunting through the tabs to find out which one is making the noise. Some pages are so Javascript and ad-heavy they take ages to load and eat into bandwidth caps. I've seen advertisers place deceptive DOWNLOAD buttons on pages where I want to download a file. They use cookies and Adobe Flash persistent storage to track you around the web.

How log have you been using the web? I go all the back to GeoCities. I've seen how excessive and obnoxious ads have ruined the original web experience.
 
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fagin said:
Big Google fan, since my first email accounts when it was invite only. Useful search engine, at home I mostly use a Chromebook. Easy to use cloud based stuff, even for a virtual luddite.
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Are you comfortable with Google reading all your emails? Or losing all your digital content and history if Google suddenly decides to disable your account?
 
Blue Mountain said:
I completely disagree with this statement. The advertisers got greedy. They went from simple text ads, to rotating GIFs, to pop-ups, pop-unders, to full screen animations that cover up the content. They add sound to the page--sometimes on tabs you're not viewing., so you have to go hunting through the tabs to find out which one is making the noise. Some pages are so Javascript and ad-heavy they take ages to load and eat into bandwidth caps. I've seen advertisers place deceptive DOWNLOAD buttons on pages where I want to download a file. They use cookies and Adobe Flash persistent storage to track you around the web.

How log have you been using the web? I go all the back to GeoCities. I've seen how excessive and obnoxious ads have ruined the original web experience.
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Precisely. Just like religion, advertising only employs the minimum ethics and always trails reluctantly behind the times. They will stoop as low as possible in the absence of protest.
 
Blue Mountain said:
I was angry because Google makes money hand over fist by selling ads, and at the time it appeared they had found yet another way to screw YouTube users (a company they bought) with even more ads in addition to what they were already splashing everywhere else.
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Meh. The ad in the OP is a lot less obtrusive than TV commercial breaks, newspaper ads, unskippable DVD ads or the pop-up autoplaying ads that pollute lots of other websites.

And how does it "screw" YouTube users?
 
Blue Mountain said:
Are you comfortable with Google reading all your emails? Or losing all your digital content and history if Google suddenly decides to disable your account?
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Why do you think Google are reading all my emails? Do they employ a few million people just for that?

And as has been the case since the dawn of computing, you back up important stuff.
 
And I use Adblock Plus. I even sent a donation to the developer. I rarely see any sort of ads, except in FB feeds.
My online experience is just fine. And I've been online since I had a 5k? modem that looked like two big black doughnuts you pushed a phone into.
 
I just watch the ads, and I don't really care they're on there. I could use an ad block, of some form. Hell, I'm sure as a network guy I could figure out how to block them some other way. They just really don't bother me that much. Ads are the way of the world.

YouTube isn't a right, either. Implying that they're scoundrels or ******** because they want to make money is ridiculous. You voluntarily go to their website, whether it's the only place you can find it or not, they don't owe anyone anything. I pay extra for Hulu for no ads, no reason to think YouTube is worse for doing the same.
 
fagin said:
Why do you think Google are reading all my emails? Do they employ a few million people just for that?
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It's clearly spelled out in their terms of service:

Google said:
Our automated systems analyze your content (including emails) to provide you personally relevant product features, such as customized search results, tailored advertising, and spam and malware detection. This analysis occurs as the content is sent, received, and when it is stored.
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https://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/terms/

And as has been the case since the dawn of computing, you back up important stuff.
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You'd be amazed at how many people have no clue they need to back up remote content to their local system or another provider, and back up their computer's storage to something that's off-line (external hard drive or cloud service.)
 
plague311 said:
I just watch the ads, and I don't really care they're on there. I could use an ad block, of some form. Hell, I'm sure as a network guy I could figure out how to block them some other way. They just really don't bother me that much. Ads are the way of the world.

YouTube isn't a right, either. Implying that they're scoundrels or ******** because they want to make money is ridiculous. You voluntarily go to their website, whether it's the only place you can find it or not, they don't owe anyone anything. I pay extra for Hulu for no ads, no reason to think YouTube is worse for doing the same.
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This.

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