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Not entirely true, however I daresay that most if not all here do not struggle with comprehension of science and technology the way you do.

It simply does not take much doing at all to fly an aircraft, at a 3-4 degree desent angle, until it hits the ground, nor does it take much doing to fly that plane, with wheels up and trim set for cruise, at cruise speed, until you are sure it will hit the building annd then to push the throttle to max. The original pilots of the aircraft did all the hard work.

I'd address navigation but this thread does not concern navigation. I suggest you read the threads in which that was a topic.
even less complex.
The airplane is going to come down. Really. It WILL come down. Honestly. Every time. You have to do nothing at all, and it will come down.
To crash it where you want, all you have to do is find the place, and keep it in exactly the same spot on the windshield all the way to the ground, or till you hit something between you and your chosen spot.
At full engine rpm, its very simple, especially if you don't care about the airplane ever being used again....
 
Just a word of advice:

The point of this thread is that aircraft similar to Flight 77 can indeed fly extremely close the ground at high speeds. The video in the original post shows the conspiracy theorists’ ground effect claim to be false (even if, in light of a lack of any compelling evidence in support of the claim, such a disproof were needed).

ZERNSMACK wants to change the subject. (In this case, from the question of the supposed ground effect to the question for Hanjour’s piloting skills.) His reasons for such a distraction are obvious. Please don’t let him get away with it.
 
Great fly-by shots,Gravy!:D
I particularly liked the TAP Airbus 310 comming right past the flightline.
The two at the end, though... A P51 Mustang and an AV8-B Harrier? They went by so fast it was hard to tell.
 
Just a word of advice:

The point of this thread is that aircraft similar to Flight 77 can indeed fly extremely close the ground at high speeds. The video in the original post shows the conspiracy theorists’ ground effect claim to be false (even if, in light of a lack of any compelling evidence in support of the claim, such a disproof were needed).

ZERNSMACK wants to change the subject. (In this case, from the question of the supposed ground effect to the question for Hanjour’s piloting skills.) His reasons for such a distraction are obvious. Please don’t let him get away with it.


I agree. When one of the Twoof's precious theories has been completely destroyed, a defense mechanism kicks in and they feel like they have to parrot yet another long debunked piece of related idiocy, until that one gets destroyed, and so on......that's precisely why we have all the "serial numbers weren't matched LOLZ 1!!1!!111" people. Because they simply have nothing else.

The changing of the subject is quite telling, but still I'd bet that Zensmack cannot even admit that the ground effect theory is bogus. Watch.

Hey Zensmack: Do you still think ground effect kept flight 77 from striking the light poles and the Pentagon?
 
I agree. When one of the Twoof's precious theories has been completely destroyed, a defense mechanism kicks in and they feel like they have to parrot yet another long debunked piece of related idiocy, until that one gets destroyed, and so on......that's precisely why we have all the "serial numbers weren't matched LOLZ 1!!1!!111" people. Because they simply have nothing else.

The changing of the subject is quite telling, but still I'd bet that Zensmack cannot even admit that the ground effect theory is bogus. Watch.

Hey Zensmack: Do you still think ground effect kept flight 77 from striking the light poles and the Pentagon?
Who said flight 77 hit the Pentagon? lol
 
Did they let any of the spectators or amateur pilots fly the planes at any of the shows? I mean anybody can do it right?


There are a lot of pilots and aviation buffs here. How many hours does a pilot need before he can successfully crash? But the hijackers had pilot's licences, didn't they? So I guess it is conceiveable that they had enough hours to learn the skills of crashing. So what is this Zen fellow on about?
 
Great backing music on your vid Gravy :-)

Incidentally what software did you use to edit it ?
Thanks, pete. Ihave a Mac and used iTunes 3, notoriously the worst video editing program Apple ever made. I wish the titles would stay centered.

Great fly-by shots,Gravy!:D
I particularly liked the TAP Airbus 310 comming right past the flightline.
The two at the end, though... A P51 Mustang and an AV8-B Harrier? They went by so fast it was hard to tell.
Thanks, OTC. It's a Spitfire and a Harrier.
 
Nice work, Gravy.

Somewhere, I have original video of a fly-by done by an Air Uruguay crew that I flew with for a few months back in the mid 80s. We had done a series of flights from YYZ to (all over hell's half acre and back) and from YHM to (all over hell's half acre and back) and when the series was done and they were heading back to Uruguay, the timing was such that they were departing the day before the annual international airshow was to start at YHM.

As anyone who is involved with large airshows probably knows, the "public" start and the "real" start are two different things. This was the day before the "public" start; the day when nearly all of the flight crews and planes have arrived and they and all of those involved in organizing the show are out at the airport having fun and finalizing things.

(The 'public' start was itself a day before the 'real' start - the 'public' start being the day that politicians and such came out to hang around, make speeches, boring stuff, and still not the actual air show itself, so this was 2 days before the 'real' start.)

Carlos, the Air Uruguay captain, was an ex-military pilot, a true gentleman, a sweet, kind, honourable, strong, friendly man of excellent character, who kind of reminded me of my grandfather in many ways. (Hey, I was in my early 20s at the time). But what an amazing pilot. He had landed us safely in some pretty extreme conditions during the previous months, and had more than earned my respect, and had long since earned my friendship.

Anyway, on the day that they were leaving, the airport was teeming with flight crews from various parts of the world, and other non-pilot aviation buffs like me who had inside access (the best night was always the night before the 'public' start as there was always a big rip roaring party that night), and when Carlos and crew left, we all watched them take off, while waving them farewell.

Well, it turned out that without telling anyone on the ground, they had decided to seek permission from the tower to do a fly by, and the tower gave them the okay.

I happened to be with the airport manager at the time, and the tower radioed him to tell him what was about to happen. I didn't hear the transmission, but Barry turned to me and said, "Let's go," and we jumped in his truck and drove out onto the tarmac. I asked him, "What's going on?" He just said, "Turn on your camera, quick." I'd known Barry for quite some time so I knew it would be good. I jumped out of the truck, turned the camera on, I'm sure I yelled some frantic questions like, "which way? what am I looking for? what the hell? etc." but - I caught the fly by on film.

It was amazing. They flew so low and so fast that I actually ducked instinctively (although obviously, they weren't low enough to actually strike me - it just felt that way).

But the video came out great. It shows them coming in low and fast and steady mere feet above the runway for hundreds and hundreds of feet before jetting upward again and off into the great blue yonder for their flight back to Uruguay. They must have burned a good few thousand bucks worth of fuel on that little gem, and it was worth every penny.

They played my video on the television screens in the airport terminal for hours afterward (Yes, VHS video being played on television screens, it was the mid 80s, remember. :))

Ahhh, memories.

Thanks, Gravy, you just brought back some great ones.
 
so, why can't aircraft fly fast at low level?

Don't play his game, guys. He won't give you any rational answer. Let him take it up on another thread.
 
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good job mark

Who said flight 77 hit the Pentagon? lol
Zen, you, and even I, have derailed a tribute to flight. On 9/11 the terrorist took what Americans have had as a freedom, and used that freedom to kill us aided by the very freedoms we hold as a right.

Zen you are invisible, a non factual poster here at JREF. If you ever had a fact, you lost it.

Gravy added some music to some people celebrating flight, (pure sex) he did good. What can you do?
 
Actually, I thought I was trying to get him back on-track...
sorry...

You were.
But he won't.
So, it just feeds him and his nonsense further.

(No apologies necessary whatsoever, my friend. The attention seeking tinhatter is well versed in dropping his nonsense all over the place and then running away or changing the subject. But he will never, ever carry on a coherent, on track, rational discussion about anything, so it is best to ignore him in threads like this, because his only purpose is to disrupt them.)
 
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Cool story, Lash, but I was thinking that YYZ and YHM were Uruguayan airports that you frequented when you were an assistant director for the CSIS Drugs to Ghettos program. Turns out they're the airport codes for Toronto and Hamilton, Ontario. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
 
Cool story, Lash, but I was thinking that YYZ and YHM were Uruguayan airports that you frequented when you were an assistant director for the CSIS Drugs to Ghettos program. Turns out they're the airport codes for Toronto and Hamilton, Ontario. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

CSIS? What CSIS? Never heard of it, I swear! That's my story and I'm sticking to it ;)

Actually, YYZ and YHM were my "safe" bases. They are the only ones that I am permitted to share stories about. The others, scores of them, I am sworn to secrecy about. Well, I could tell you, but then I'd have to engage NWO Kitty's services, and you know the rest. He's going to be plenty peeved enough as it is when he gets out Kitty Jail this week.

Better to save the other stories for the next meeting since we all get the shiny flashy treatment afterwards, so no harm, no foul.

(Besides, we ran they ran I heard that the CSISDTG program was run out of BOG, not MVD.)
 
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Cool story, Lash, but I was thinking that YYZ and YHM were Uruguayan airports that you frequented when you were an assistant director for the CSIS Drugs to Ghettos program. Turns out they're the airport codes for Toronto and Hamilton, Ontario. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

YYZ is the best RUSH song ever.....EVER, mister!!!!
 

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