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General Israel/Palestine discussion thread - Part 4

Once again you demand that Israel shoulder the moral burden for the crimes committed against it by others. You always only ever blame one side.
The IDF is committing racist massacres, starvation, ethnic cleansing. Bad things happen in a war, especially when the enemy is committing such horrible war crimes. Yesterday Israel massacred 27 people looking for food.



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Newsflash: Hamas Agrees To Surrender If Europe Will Take Greta Thunberg Back​

The racist genocide and ethnic cleansing being committed by your native country is not a laughing matter please don't post nonsense like this.
 
Points of Order
  • In order for opposition to Zionist ideology to be antisemitic, Zionists would need to be Semites.
  • In order for opposition to Zionist ideology to be anti-Jewish, Zionism would need to be one and the same with the faith.
  • Neither is the case.
Sadly for Zionist arguments,
  • Its founders had to change their Russian and Eastern European names to sound Jewish/Semitic.
  • Its founders had no relation to the people descending from the peoples in Palestine at the turn of the 20th c.
  • Its founders were atheists, not believers, only later using the "promised land" myth to justify where to create a colony.
Sadly for apologists everywhere,
  • The creation of the state of Israel was a concession by one people, the British,
  • to a second people, Zionist Europeans (and later Westerners) who self-identified as Jewish for convenience,
  • of a land inhabited by a third and indigenous people unrelated to either, the Palestinians.
  • This concession had no basis in sovereign rule nor in property law. NONE.
  • This concession has no basis in the human rights and related laws passed (conveniently) only months after Israel being founded
  • in a manner in full contradiction of those laws.
Israel is a late example of Western imperialism and colonialism, and its foundation violates all modern precepts in international law.

Israel is a charade, a fiction, an historical and contemporary crime against humanity, as it stands today in stark violation even of the Carter era accords, denying Palestinians their right to self determination, their property rights, and their human rights. It is a genocidal enterprise propped up for the convenience of Western interests. Europe and the USA closed their doors to the refugees from Nazi Germany, and expiated their sins by making Palestinians eat them.

Enough. Time for everyone of good faith to take Israel fully to task before the ICJ and ICC, then fully enforce international law, particularly the laws against genocide.
 
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Points of Order
  • In order for opposition to Zionist ideology to be antisemitic, Zionists would need to be Semites.
  • In order for opposition to Zionist ideology to be anti-Jewish, Zionism would need to be one and the same with the faith.
  • Neither is the case.
Sadly for Zionist arguments,
  • Its founders had to change their Russian and Eastern European names to sound Jewish/Semitic.
  • Its founders had no relation to the people descending from the peoples in Palestine at the turn of the 20th c.
  • Its founders were atheists, not believers, only later using the "promised land" myth to justify where to create a colony....
Question:

-are you denying the age-old dream of the Jewish people to return to their homeland? Are you denying that the Jews returning to the Holy Land is in fact a part of Judaism?

What do you think "Next year in Jerusalem" means?
 
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Huh, Israel is now arming gangs and thieves in Gaza.

Israel has been arming a criminal gang in the Gaza Strip as part of an effort to strengthen opposition to Hamas in the enclave, defense sources confirmed on Thursday following remarks on the matter by former defense minister Avigdor Liberman.

Liberman, who heads the opposition Yisrael Beytenu party, told the Kan public broadcaster on Thursday morning that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had unilaterally approved the transfer of weapons to the Abu Shabab clan, an armed gang or militia that is opposed to Hamas’s rule in the Gaza Strip.

The have been linked in the past to smuggling operations with Egyptian Jihadist groups

Security cabinet wasn’t informed of plan to start arming Abu Shabab group, which was created in Rafah last year and has its roots in looting aid trucks

 
CNN - US Secretary of State Marco Rubio unveiled new sanctions to target the International Criminal Court for its attempts to investigate the United States and Israel for alleged war crimes.

Typical of noodle spine ninnies. Any other confessions to make? Want to seal the deal with a trouser drop and pratfall?
 
Question:

-are you denying the age-old dream of the Jewish people to return to their homeland? Are you denying that the Jews returning to the Holy Land is in fact a part of Judaism?

What do you think "Next year in Jerusalem" means?
Yes, I am denying it as a right. No standing in law. I reject religious canon as a basis for brutal settler colonialism, as I equally rejected the rights claimed by ISIS to reestablish the Caliphate. Same deal, no diff at all. Unless, of course, you backdoor the Jewish faith as having a divine basis, which is entirely unacceptable. If we allow that, we must give credence to all divine claims, including my greater claim saying that I got a mental telegram from Gawd Almighty five seconds ago that it's all mine for the taking.

Better the rule of law.

As for the aspiration of returning, one can imagine many ways to accomplish that, including the peaceful coexistence that was the case prior to the Mandate. Most importantly, an examination of the beliefs and statements of the Zionist movement prior to and following the establishment of the Jewish state clearly indicated its brutal, colonial irreligious nature. Here, a nice video full of facts and historical quotes regarding the same.

The indigenous Semitic people of Palestine do descend from the Canaanite inhabitants of long ago, who mostly converted to Christianity and Islam. No record of a mass exodus after the destruction of the temple; rather, of preexisting Jewish communities around the Mediterranean, Sephardi Jews most likely being the most representative.

The last time all three faiths were coexisting peacefully was in Toledo and further south in old Andalus, the Mozarabe culture well known for its vibrant culture and creativity. Then came the crusading reconquest, and that was lost, too.
 
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can we at least get some general endorsement for this ?
When an Arab says something like this about Israel, people will use it as an excuse for permanent violence for decades.
If an Israeli Leader says it, it's not even worth registering.

I wish people would use the "make it Black" test once in a while to realize what the side they are on is actually saying and doing.
 
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a land inhabited by a third and indigenous people unrelated to either, the Palestinians.
Genetic evidence does not support your claim that Jews are unrelated to Palestinians.
[Zionist] founders had no relation to the people descending from the peoples in Palestine at the turn of the 20th c.
Other than being descended from the same peoples that lived in the area back when the Romans renamed Judæa to Palestine.
 
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I imagine every living person has some non-Israelite ancestry (ETA: even if we fixed the time frame to ~1st c.) but it came as a surprise to me that the people calling themselves Palestinians have less of it than most.
 
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I imagine every living person has some non-Israelite ancestry (ETA: even if we fixed the time frame to ~1st c.) but it came as a surprise to me that the people calling themselves Palestinians have less of it than most.
Palestinians have a very high percentage of the haplotype that Jews claim shows they have Israelite ancestry.
 

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