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Face, meet leopard. Leopard, meet face.

Segnosaur said:
Its possible that back then he WAS a thoughtful person. I have seen older references where he was actually criticizing Trump. So somewhere a switch flipped in his brain, he drunk the kool aid, etc.
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That's good to hear. When I heard him speak, he told the story of his breakdown and rehabilitation just prior to being cast in Shazam! It really was soul-baring and self-effacing. The message (among other things) was an admonition to take the time to appreciate what people are dealing with, no matter how well they seem to be doing. This was only two or three years ago. Dunno, I didn't even think at the time what his politics might have been. So maybe he's a more complex person that I give him credit for.
 
Darat said:
Oh dear a Trump supporter working in the IRS has been fired


"...snip... I did support him I was a trump supporter. You know when he talks about government waste and all yes I'm behind it ...snip... I thought that someone with like his business acumen would have come in with a fine tooth comb and actually found it instead of coming in with a wrecking ball and destroying people's lives for no reason ...snip..."
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I reckon that if there were a genuine effeciency effort going on, these two boyos would have been first out the door anyway.

But on a broader point, it's stuff like this that causes me to say thqt the Trampy coup is more stupid than the nazi one it's modelled off. At least the nazis made sure to take care of their own, arranging promotions, transfers to better posts or, if the member was too incompetent to retain, placing them in cushy party sinecures. If you were a member of the party from before 1932, your position improved noticably unless you aligned with Rohm.

PS I tried to link both videos Darat posted but multi quote doesn't want to work. The new forum software is worse in many ways than the old one.
 
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Another one - lost her job and she thought Trump would make IVF free:


It's an interesting albeit quite sad read. She voted for him because she thought he would make IVF free. She did know about his faults but held her nose and voted for him. What I do find astonishing is that she was a victim of a sexual assault and still voted for a candidate that we know is a serial sexual predator. All because she thought she'd get IVF for free.
 
Darat said:
Another one - lost her job and she thought Trump would make IVF free:


It's an interesting albeit quite sad read. She voted for him because she thought he would make IVF free. She did know about his faults but held her nose and voted for him. What I do find astonishing is that she was a victim of a sexual assault and still voted for a candidate that we know is a serial sexual predator. All because she thought she'd get IVF for free.
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Did she have any reason to think that he would make IVF free ?
 
'Absolute chaos': DOGE sows turmoil in its quest for 'efficiency' (NBC News, Feb 25, 2025)
"It's leading to paralysis, and nothing is getting done," said one Veterans Affairs official who spoke on the condition of anonymity out of fear of reprisal. The official described "absolute chaos" at the agency, with even Trump political appointees afraid to misstep and incur a backlash from either the White House or the public.
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"It's leading to paralysis, and nothing is getting done," said one Veterans Affairs official who spoke on the condition of anonymity out of fear of reprisal. The official described "absolute chaos" at the agency, with even Trump political appointees afraid to misstep and incur a backlash from either the White House or the public.
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Trump suffers backlash as Musk's crew attacks services for veterans (MSNBC on YouTube, Feb 28, 2025 - 8:20 min.)
 
The Don said:
Did she have any reason to think that he would make IVF free ?
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Trump says he wants to make IVF treatments paid for by government or insurance companies if elected (NBC News, Aug 29, 2024)

ETA: Let me remind everybody, Republicans and Democrats alike, that candidates are allowed to promise anything to voters and not follow up on their promises or do the opposite of what they promised once elected. It's what representative democracy is all about.
So if you are one of those Democrats who voted for Biden because you thought he was serious about climate change, you shouldn't resort to Schadenfreude now:
Biden touts climate legacy in landmark Amazon visit (France 24, Nov 17, 2024)
"Folks, we don't have to choose between an environment and the economy. We can do both."
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Darat said:
Another one - lost her job and she thought Trump would make IVF free:


It's an interesting albeit quite sad read. She voted for him because she thought he would make IVF free. She did know about his faults but held her nose and voted for him. What I do find astonishing is that she was a victim of a sexual assault and still voted for a candidate that we know is a serial sexual predator. All because she thought she'd get IVF for free.
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Just a case of evolution selecting against the terminally stupid.
 
shemp said:
Expanding the question: Did anyone have any reason to think that he would keep his promises?
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Do ANY voters have any reason to think that any candidates will keep their promises?
That's not the point of representative democracy! Why does everybody continue to think that it is?! :boggled:
 
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dann said:
So if you are one of those Democrats who voted for Biden because you thought he was serious about climate change, you shouldn't resort to Schadenfreude now:
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I would suggest a place where you can put this suggestion, but I wouldn't want to violate forum rules.
 
shemp said:
Expanding the question: Did anyone have any reason to think that he would keep his promises?
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Well, whether Trump would keep promises is a different question to whether there was any promise in the first place.

Like The Don, I'm curious to know what reason she had to believe she'd get IVF paid for. Asking because I genuinely don't know.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Well, whether Trump would keep promises is a different question to whether there was any promise in the first place.

Like The Don, I'm curious to know what reason she had to believe she'd get IVF paid for. Asking because I genuinely don't know.
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Read the article Darat posted.
 
dann said:
Do ANY voters have any reason to think that any candidates will keep their promises?
That's not the point of representative democracy! Why does everybody continue to think that it is?! :boggled:
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We already had four years of evidence that Trump doesn't keep his promises. Plus much more before that.
 
Darat said:
It's an interesting albeit quite sad read. She voted for him because she thought he would make IVF free. She did know about his faults but held her nose and voted for him. What I do find astonishing is that she was a victim of a sexual assault and still voted for a candidate that we know is a serial sexual predator. All because she thought she'd get IVF for free.
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Fascist cultists in a nutshell. "I don't care that he's a horrible person because there's something in it for me".
But yes, even knowing they're cultists, it's mind-boggling that they believe any promise or claim from that source. Pitiful.
 
dann said:
Do ANY voters have any reason to think that any candidates will keep their promises?
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I think many candidates (well, excluding Trump obviously) do a not-bad job of keeping their promises.

For example, Politifact did a review of Obama's promises.

They found that he had fulfilled 47% completely, and 27% were "compromised" (i.e. partly done). So only roughly 1/4 were completely broken. Given the fact that a president is not a dictator and has to work with both congress (and has to deal with the courts), that's not a bad ratio.

See: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/?ruling=true
 
Darat said:
Another one - lost her job and she thought Trump would make IVF free:
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It's an interesting albeit quite sad read. She voted for him because she thought he would make IVF free. She did know about his faults but held her nose and voted for him. What I do find astonishing is that she was a victim of a sexual assault and still voted for a candidate that we know is a serial sexual predator. All because she thought she'd get IVF for free.
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Perhaps its best that she not get IVF treatment. After all, last thing we need is more genes for stupidity being passed on to the next generation.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Fascist cultists in a nutshell. "I don't care that he's a horrible person because there's something in it for me".
But yes, even knowing they're cultists, it's mind-boggling that they believe any promise or claim from that source. Pitiful.
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As much as I enjoy hearing about terrible things happening to terrible people, the media’s tendency to frame these stories sympathetically is grating. How about some profiles on all the people this woman voted to harm? Because seriously, ◊◊◊◊ her.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Fascist cultists in a nutshell. "I don't care that he's a horrible person because there's something in it for me".
But yes, even knowing they're cultists, it's mind-boggling that they believe any promise or claim from that source. Pitiful.
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I'd cut a woman trying to be a mom some slack. For some people (and my wife is one) being a mother and having children is your actual reason for living. It is all-encompassing and far eclipses any political ideology. I'd give this woman some lattitude for trying desperately to find a way to do the one thing she feels she is above ground for.

ETA: although why she has no other options is a little questionable.
 
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shemp said:
I would suggest a place where you can put this suggestion, but I wouldn't want to violate forum rules.
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I don't have to suggest anything. I'm just pointing out the one thing people voting for Trump and people voting for Biden or Harris have in common: Once you've cast your vote, you have agreed to be ruled by whovever persuaded you to vote for them and got enough votes to do so. That's what representative democracy is all about. Nothing else. In this respect, voters for Democrats make the same mistake voters for Republicans make. You all choose to believe their campaign promises even though all of you are old enough to know that those promises mean absolutely nothing.
That's representative democracy. A promise to stop global warming means as little as a promise to make IVF free of charge.
 
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