Everyone Who Protests in America Is Allied With Iraq

[Guest]

I only love The Serpent (Frank).

Q-S

Don't say it's true.....

 

[Q-Source]

Don't say it's true.....

Unfortunately it is true

 

[Chris Haynes]

I found where the original picture was posted... there have been many comments posted on it. Hopefully the folks who waved the idiocy will start to understand their own hypocrisy.

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/03/1583064_comment.php

It is BIG file full of photos... and I stopped the loading of it before it was finished, but I got all the comments.

The comments about them always wearing masks reminded me of the 60's and the KKK wearing white sheets.

Oh, by the way... they are not "commies", they are anarchists. A minor difference. Communism does denote some form of economy (with total government control), whereas the anarchist are on a totally different plane (if not reality).

 

[Wayne Grabert]

It is BIG file full of photos... and I stopped the loading of it before it was finished, but I got all the comments.

Interesting, but I'd rather see pictures of Q-Source on the beach.

 

[Questioninggeller]

I just wanted to quote JK because I think this displays his thesis from this thread.

I think all forms of extremism need to be squashed, not just the ones that declare allegiance to national racist socialists and the Nazi flag.

First off, I can't believe I wasted my time reading this thread, Second, This war is BULLSHAT... If there were no Oil, terrorism, passed agression... the U.S. would not invade. Two examples, Saudi Arabia (lots of Oil, repressive Non-democratic government, no current agression to U.S. plans), or North Korea (agression, no oil, non-democratic government).

Lastly, I believe "Nazis," "Commies," "Conservatives" should all be allowed to PUBLICLY display their opinions even if they are against the government.

Either you support ALL free Speech, or NONE; you can't pick and choose-- if you do, it's not free.

 

[PygmyPlaidGiraffe]

Either you support ALL free Speech, or NONE; you can't pick and choose-- if you do, it's not free.

Censorship has and always will be a challenge for societies, organizations, the Legislative, the Judicial, the local PTA.

those on the left want their views protected, yet views of the right censored

those on the right want their views protected, yet views of the left censored

then there are the moral relativists and new agers that might state : what's good for you is good for you, what's good for me is good for me

When you say "you can't pick and choose" gellar a pedantist may state that you are engaging in censorship.

Censorship , for many people ,will be applied in some situations and not others, so people do and can practice "pick and choose".

Randi.org's moderators have a sort of "code of conduct" they may enforce as they see fit and sometimes (reluctantly I imagine) have to take steps to censor posts, threads, or individuals.

seems to me that the issue of censorship is not so black and white

cheers



PPG

 

[Bjorn]

Randi.org's moderators have a sort of "code of conduct" they may enforce as they see fit and sometimes (reluctantly I imagine) have to take steps to censor posts, threads, or individuals.
PPG

Publishing my speech can be and is restricted by the media - if they don't want to print my thoughts, they don't, Randi.org as the others.

But my right to free speech is not a right to be printed or published - it is, in the end, literally free speech. Here in the US I have a right to say what I'm for and against (the only exception as far as I know is that you are restricted in encouraging other people to do something illegal).

I cannot see how one can pick and choose - the freedom of speech is made for the morons and the idiots and the crazy people who disagree, not for the mainstreams. They don't need it anyhow.

those on the left want their views protected, yet views of the right censored

those on the right want their views protected, yet views of the left censored

In general, I think this is not true.

 

[Wayne Grabert]

First off, I can't believe I wasted my time reading this thread

When has it ever been a waste of time to read one of JK's threads? It sure beats watching some lame sitcom. How could they top JK saying that he believes all forms of extremism need to be squashed?

 

[Jedi Knight]

When has it ever been a waste of time to read one of JK's threads? It sure beats watching some lame sitcom. How could they top JK saying that he believes all forms of extremism need to be squashed?

hehe

JK

 

[Wayne Grabert]

Publishing my speech can be and is restricted by the media - if they don't want to print my thoughts, they don't, Randi.org as the others.

You have the right to publish.

 

[Bjorn]

You have the right to publish.

Yes, of course. But I don't have the right to be published by someone else.

This could, sometimes unfortunately, give those with a lot of money more 'real' freedom of speech than those with none. Not everybody can start a newspaper or a TV-station.

However, the freedom to choose how one uses one's money is also one I believe in.

 

[PygmyPlaidGiraffe]

Publishing my speech can be and is restricted by the media - if they don't want to print my thoughts, they don't, Randi.org as the others.

But my right to free speech is not a right to be printed or published - it is, in the end, literally free speech. Here in the US I have a right to say what I'm for and against (the only exception as far as I know is that you are restricted in encouraging other people to do something illegal).

I cannot see how one can pick and choose - the freedom of speech is made for the morons and the idiots and the crazy people who disagree, not for the mainstreams. They don't need it anyhow.

In general, I think this is not true.

I live in a country other than the US (Canada) so I may not be up to speed on the Constitution. In Canada we have a Charter of Rights Freedoms.

http://lois.justice.gc.ca/fr/charte/const_en.html

2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

a) freedom of conscience and religion;
b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
d) freedom of association.

I did not realize that speach,media, and or publishing were not considered as related and protected similiarly in the United States.

from your bill of Rights:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/kids/constitution/transcript.html


I may be reading it wrong, but the 1st amendment in your constitution appears to protect all forms of expression, as does Canada's Charter o R&F

PPG

 

[Wayne Grabert]

I live in a country other than the US (Canada) so I may not be up to speed on the Constitution. In Canada we have a Charter of Rights Freedoms.

PPG, please clarify something for me. Am I mistaken, or doesn't Canada have some form of movie censorship? If so, how does that not conflict with the Charter?

 

[Bjorn]

I did not realize that speach,media, and or publishing were not considered as related and protected similiarly in the United States.

from your bill of Rights:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/kids/constitution/transcript.html


I may be reading it wrong, but the 1st amendment in your constitution appears to protect all forms of expression, as does Canada's Charter o R&F

PPG

Well - it protects all forms of expression, of course, but it doesn't force any media owner to print my opinion of anything. He has a freedom to print whatever he wants and throw away the rest. Just like on this forum.

But I can print it and distribute my thoughts myself, if I have the money.

 

[Guest]

Oh, no!

Don't worry Biker Babe. I only love The Serpent (Frank).

He is absent now ( ), but I will be loyal to him anyway.

Q-S

Cool hands off, I herby claim Jedi Knight or JK as mine and so with this here white hot branding iron claim him property of the matriarchal feminatzi winged babe on a bike(me). Now if somebody could point me to his tent I will go and brand him and drag him back to my bed where he can polish my boots, I dont want to accidently brand anybody else *blush sorry vicar*

Oh I lub franko too but only after you

 

[Guest]

hehe

JK

autograph?

 

[Guest]

Interesting, but I'd rather see pictures of Q-Source on the beach.

Ahh but does Q source want to see picutres of you on a beach?

MMMmm jk on a beach pics, OMG no don't go there

 

[Guest]

MMMmm jk on a beach pics, OMG no don't go there

Think Normandy.

 

[Bjorn]

Good girls go to heaven, bad girls have fun.

Good girls go to heaven, bad girls can come anywhere ...

 

[Guest]

Think Normandy.

NOooooooooo, OMG wow yikes ohhhhhhhh,*faint*