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Cont: Electric Vehicles II

In my "fictional scenario", we will be driving the Nautilus, leaving Las Vegas around 0600. The only time my wife and I will stop for a sit down meal on the trip will be at exit 66 on Interstate 40, just east of Kingman, for Dunkin Donuts. While only 125 miles from home, it somehow gets the trip off to a good start.

From there we imagine heading south to Interstate 10 and driving to Pensacola to visit the National Naval Aviation Museum. Next is the Don Garlits Museum of Drag Racing in Ocala Florida (heaven for a piston head like me). Then Daytona for the races. We have been going to the Daytona 500 for more than a decade.

We will typically drive each day until 6:00 PM, after traveling over 800 miles.

On the fictional return trip we will divert to Myrtle Beach, SC, to visit a friend for a couple of days. We will then then drive home, about 2400 miles, in three days.

Several years ago I considered an EV but came to the conclusion that the US EV infrastructure was not adequate for the type of driving my wife and I prefer.

I have spent some time reconsidering an EV and, again, I just can't justify it.

In the summer of 2027, we are considering driving to Alaska. I am not convinced an EV could make the trip to Alaska in a safe and reasonable manner.
You have go by your own assessment. But I really don't think you will feel it to be terribly inconvenient if you pick something like a new Tesla, a Taycan, a Lucid and probably at least a half dozen other EVs sold in the US. But it is your money, your life and your decision.
 
I did. If the law does not state explicitly that the police can tolerate a certain amount over the limit at their discretion, then you can't assume that they will.
No, you can't. But I associate with dozens of police officers. They do in fact tolerate certain overages and other offenses. My best friend is a Seattle Police Officer and he hates to write tickets. Except he will write you up in a second for parking in a handicap spot if you're not.
 
Not in the least.
“Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” Benjamin Franklin

How sad that people so willingly accept, heck even ask for, a surveillance state.

But I shouldn't be surprised when I consider how willing people are to give up their civil rights, from free speech to gun ownership.

Except for paraphilias and abortion, are their any civil rights that people are willing to defend?
 
“Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” Benjamin Franklin

How sad that people so willingly accept, heck even ask for, a surveillance state.

But I shouldn't be surprised when I consider how willing people are to give up their civil rights, from free speech to gun ownership.

Except for paraphilias and abortion, are their any civil rights that people are willing to defend?
Oh, so we're back on this old saw now? Even including the Franklin quote. Again. How tiresome.
 
“Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” Benjamin Franklin

How sad that people so willingly accept, heck even ask for, a surveillance state.

But I shouldn't be surprised when I consider how willing people are to give up their civil rights, from free speech to gun ownership.

Except for paraphilias and abortion, are their any civil rights that people are willing to defend?
Laws and taxes is the price we pay to live in a civilized society. Are there reasonable limits to freedom? Or is anarchy preferable? Sorry, I don't want you driving through my neighborhood at 60 or 70mph in a 4 to 7,000 pound vehicle. I don't want you carrying a machine gun or a flamethrower either. I don't want to feel I must always be armed to the gill.

I love you're car. I'm a bit of a muscle car officianado. I use to own a 69 Pontiac GTO with Ram Air and a 1987 Buick Grand National. But I also appreciate the safety of my children and the people around me.
 
I did. If the law does not state explicitly that the police can tolerate a certain amount over the limit at their discretion, then you can't assume that they will.

The words "at their discretion" say that, quite explicitly. The following anecdote about someone being nicked for doing 21 mph in a 20 mph zone rather backed that up. As did the observation that the police force involved stated that they did not use that "discretion".

I totally fail to see what point you think you're making, beyond the point I made myself.
 
Laws and taxes is the price we pay to live in a civilized society. Are there reasonable limits to freedom? Or is anarchy preferable? Sorry, I don't want you driving through my neighborhood at 60 or 70mph in a 4 to 7,000 pound vehicle. I don't want you carrying a machine gun or a flamethrower either. I don't want to feel I must always be armed to the gill.

I love you're car. I'm a bit of a muscle car officianado. I use to own a 69 Pontiac GTO with Ram Air and a 1987 Buick Grand National. But I also appreciate the safety of my children and the people around me.
I am in violent agreement with everything you said.

However, there is a world of difference between judicious police enforcement of the laws, and a surveillance state that monitors you from the time you leave your home and sends fines for every infraction, no matter how minor, based on the cold, heartless, "logic" of a machine.

I once almost bought a 71 GTO. Unfortunately, life got in the way....
 
However, there is a world of difference between judicious police enforcement of the laws, and a surveillance state that monitors you from the time you leave your home and sends fines for every infraction, no matter how minor, based on the cold, heartless, "logic" of a machine.
What you describe is not an accurate representation of reality.
 
I am in violent agreement with everything you said.

However, there is a world of difference between judicious police enforcement of the laws, and a surveillance state that monitors you from the time you leave your home and sends fines for every infraction, no matter how minor, based on the cold, heartless, "logic" of a machine.

I once almost bought a 71 GTO. Unfortunately, life got in the way....
It's a tricky balance. I give you that. I don't like the idea of receiving a ticket two weeks later for something minor and unremarkable.

I loved the Goat BTW. The Grand National was also one helluva a machine. I sold both of them for nice profits after driving them for a few years. The problem with cars like that is it is very easy to do something stupid with them.
 
What you describe is not an accurate representation of reality.
Was Dabop incorrect or exaggerating when he said that on a 4-5 hour trip he went through three 'average speed' cameras, at least a dozen fixed speed cameras, and several dozen red light/speed/mobile phone use cameras?

How many traffic cameras would it take to reach your definition of "surveillance state"?
 
I loved the Goat BTW. The Grand National was also one helluva a machine. I sold both of them for nice profits after driving them for a few years. The problem with cars like that is it is very easy to do something stupid with them.
My first car was a 69 Delta 88 Oldsmobile with a 455 Rocket - and it was. It is the only car I ever totaled....

The car I miss the most is my 2013 Cadillac CTS-V Coupe. Bright red, 556 hp, six speed stick. I should have never let it go.
 
Was Dabop incorrect or exaggerating when he said that on a 4-5 hour trip he went through three 'average speed' cameras, at least a dozen fixed speed cameras, and several dozen red light/speed/mobile phone use cameras?
That sounds about right.

How many traffic cameras would it take to reach your definition of "surveillance state"?
I don't have a definition of "surveillance state" as I think it's an absurd construct invented by Americans to justify unsafe practices.
 
My first car was a 69 Delta 88 Oldsmobile with a 455 Rocket - and it was. It is the only car I ever totaled....
That's a huge Sedan. A trunk the size of my first apartment.
The car I miss the most is my 2013 Cadillac CTS-V Coupe. Bright red, 556 hp, six speed stick. I should have never let it go.
Fast car. But Cadillac was notorious for doing weird things that were one offs which made them expensive to maintain. And I have been personally maintaining my own cars since I was 16.

I miss the GTO. It was the third car I ever owned. A lot of personal nostalgia wrapped up in it.
 
That's a huge Sedan. A trunk the size of my first apartment.
My Delta 88 was a two door in beautiful gold with a white vinyl top (shudder). But, would it go in a straight line. I suspect its acceleration was helped by weight savings from the heavily rusted fenders (at certain speeds she would whistle).

Couldn't turn worth a darn and the brakes were atrocious.

With better brakes I might not have totaled it.
 
That's with the old mechanical speedos- at best their accuracy was rather dubious (they were allowed +10% from new here- after 40 years anyone's guess how accurate they are lol)- but many modern speedos are 'dead on'- some even cross check from the onboard GPS to the speedo to check for other factors that affect accuracy (tyre wear and inflation levels can make a noticeable difference to the speedo reading- and thats even assuming they are the same roiling diameter as the factory originals (not always a safe bet...)

If your car is newer than 2000- its not always a safe bet you CAN 'add on a few'- best bet rather than relying on 'mile markers' (which may not reflect actual SPEED errors at all) is check your speedo against a GPS (phone or inbuilt...)

The speedo can read incorrect speed even if the odometer is showing the correct 'mileage turnovers' on it- if the speedo's spring or magnet is weak due to age in a mechanical speedo, it can be out by a considerable margin even if the odometer is showing 'spot on' by mile marker testing...
Agreed (fast moving thread,see post 1286)...
 
My Delta 88 was a two door in beautiful gold with a white vinyl top (shudder). But, would it go in a straight line. I suspect its acceleration was helped by weight savings from the heavily rusted fenders (at certain speeds she would whistle).

Couldn't turn worth a darn and the brakes were atrocious.

With better brakes I might not have totaled it.
It was the Coupe version huh? My father traded his 1968 Olds 98 Luxury Sedan in for a 1972 Delta 88 sedan. Which while still a very big car, it was considerably smaller than the 98.
 
No doubt it's good quote at times, but I don't think this is one of them. Public highways are not our individual property, and the rules governing their use have little to do with essential liberty.
I was not commenting on road laws.

I was commenting on using massive quantities of electronic surveillance to document your compliance with every rule of the road.

If you had a police car follow you every time you went out, then mailed you a ticket for any perceived infractions, you would consider this to be harassment and an abuse of power.

When it happens electronically, you are good with it.

I just don't understand.
 

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