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E10 Fuel - Worthwhile?

All regular unleaded here is at least 10% ethanol. I thought that is the way it is everywhere. Most stations offer 87, 89, and 91.
 
Smackety said:
All regular unleaded here is at least 10% ethanol. I thought that is the way it is everywhere. Most stations offer 87, 89, and 91.
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We offer E15 [87,89,92] here in Washington, and I've been told you can get ~95 on the East Coast.

On that note..

Outside the US, where gasoline prices are artificially held high, the differential between m85 street price and gasoline would be lower on a percentage basis. However, note that in these brief comments, I assume NO subsidy for methanol.
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We have very cheap gas. Gas in say, Norway, is near 8/gal.
 
KoihimeNakamura said:
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We have very cheap gas. Gas in say, Norway, is near 8/gal.
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$2.69 a gallon in Tucson today, you can get another $1.00 a gallon off with your Fry's (Kroger) points if you use the grocery store gas station, so $1.69 really, because those points are not good for anything else, and who doesn't eat?

Anyhow, I was pointing out that all gas is E10 or better because I don't think it requires any special seals or anything, that is E85 that needs a slight modification.
 
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Time for a fuel price comparison?
A litre of diesel cost me $2.20 in Scotland ten days ago.
That's a litre.
$8.33 per US gallon.
 
Soapy Sam said:
Time for a fuel price comparison?
A litre of diesel cost me $2.20 in Scotland ten days ago.
That's a litre.
$8.33 per US gallon.
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Of course, the median wage in Scotland is probably 25% higher than in Arizona, so it is more like paying $6 a gallon: still darn expensive!
 
Soapy Sam said:
Time for a fuel price comparison?
A litre of diesel cost me $2.20 in Scotland ten days ago.
That's a litre.
$8.33 per US gallon.
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Lucky you.

$10/gallon gas would save the U.S.
Triple the cost of fuels, and watch the rush toward sane behavior and up-graded technology. Presumably, the extra tax would actually trickle down.

This is a minority opinion over here.

In fact, so far, mostly me.




(sigh)
 
CNY_Dave said:
Assuming the seals and hoses can be changed, you could alter the jetting (I'm assuming you have a carb) to have it run correctly on E10- and only E10.

I had to do this for my carb-equipped motorcycle, although it could not be made to run as well on E10 as E0.

Dave
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the XJ-S is all electronic so no messing around with carbs.

Apparently the real problem is how quickly the fuel tank will corrode.
 
Smackety said:
Anyhow, I was pointing out that all gas is E10 or better because I don't think it requires any special seals or anything, that is E85 that needs a slight modification.
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E85 needs more than a slight modification. Aside from material compatibility issues, the volume of fuel required to be injected is much larger with E85 than with straight gasoline so the car needs a new engine management system, a sensor to tell it what mix of alcohol and gasoline is in the tank and larger fuel injectors to be able to supply fuel at the required rate.
 
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quarky said:
Lucky you.

$10/gallon gas would save the U.S.
Triple the cost of fuels, and watch the rush toward sane behavior and up-graded technology. Presumably, the extra tax would actually trickle down.

(sigh)
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Why stop there? Just flat make every gallon of fuel $500, and then cap it to 10 gallons per household per month.

The US would collapse in less then a week.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
E85 needs more than a slight modification. Aside from material compatibility issues, the volume of fuel required to be injected is much larger with E85 than with straight gasoline so the car needs a new engine management system, a sensor to tell it what mix of alcohol and gasoline is in the tank and larger fuel injectors to be able to supply fuel at the required rate.
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For a relatively new car, you are probably looking at about $500. It is really not too complicated.
 
quarky said:
Lucky you.

$10/gallon gas would save the U.S.
Triple the cost of fuels, and watch the rush toward sane behavior and up-graded technology. Presumably, the extra tax would actually trickle down.

This is a minority opinion over here.

In fact, so far, mostly me.




(sigh)
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I don't see how this wouldn't put all the working poor in a world of hurt for a long long time.
 
Smackety said:
I don't see how this wouldn't put all the working poor in a world of hurt for a long long time.
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people would abandon cars and get about on very small capacity motorcycles. Bit like a return to the horse days....

It would be fun..... (says he....trying to make this sound less like hell)
 
The Don said:
the XJ-S is all electronic so no messing around with carbs.

Apparently the real problem is how quickly the fuel tank will corrode.
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Yeah that's why I'd prefer a move to butanol instead of methanol or ethanol; better energy density, less corrosive and hygroscopic, no bootlegging issues et cetera.
 
The Don said:
the XJ-S is all electronic so no messing around with carbs.

Apparently the real problem is how quickly the fuel tank will corrode.
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The tank could be pulled and cleaned and lined with properly formulated epoxy, I've done this to repair rusty motorcycle gas tanks.


Dave
 
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