Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[Ivor the Engineer]

Boldened seems to contradict what you have been saying about educational sex. I'm not clear about your proposal.

Pornhub reflects what society, in general, wants to see and get off on.

That's what the CEO of Pornhub and every other social media company would like everyone to believe. "We're just a platform!"

It's a lie. As Mr. Nietzsche reminded us:

"Whoever battles monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster himself. And when you look long into the abyss, the abyss also looks into you."

A large part of social media is an exercise in switching off empathy.

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

Should we show strangulation porn? Sex involving such is pretty popular apparently - particularly among the young.

That would depend on what your society thinks are the right values with regards to sex education. For example, if honest consent is all that matters then strangulation should be shown. But what should also be shown is a representative proportion of times it goes wrong along with the consequences, so that would include people suffering from PTSD, neck injuries and death.

 

[Poem]

That's what the CEO of Pornhub and every other social media company would like everyone to believe. "We're just a platform!"

It's a lie. As Mr. Nietzsche reminded us:

"Whoever battles monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster himself. And when you look long into the abyss, the abyss also looks into you."

A large part of social media is an exercise in switching off empathy.

And you can point to society standing up and demanding, immediately, that we should shut down Pornhub? That kind of thing would prove your point I think. You do realise how popular these sites are don't you?

I fail to see how the quote from Nietzsche fits in.

 

[Poem]

That would depend on what your society thinks are the right values with regards to sex education. For example, if honest consent is all that matters then strangulation should be shown. But what should also be shown is a representative proportion of times it goes wrong along with the consequences, so that would include people suffering from PTSD, neck injuries and death.

I'm getting lost in the nebulosity.

 

[Poem]

@Poem
Do you not realize how ludicrous it is to say you want something banned, but are unable to say what it is?

See previous answers.

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

And you can point to society standing up and demanding, immediately, that we should shut down Pornhub? That kind of thing would prove your point I think. You do realise how popular these sites are don't you?

I fail to see how the quote from Nietzsche fits in.

We don't need to shut anything down, though in some cases splitting large corporations up would probably be beneficial.

What we need to do is decide what our values are and motivate companies to behave in ways that reflect those values.

I suspect the problem with respect to Pornhub is what we want our children to be taught about sex and relationships is different to what many people want to watch on Pornhub. E.g., Telling your daughter "You're not wearing that out of the house!" and then masturbating to a woman wearing something similar perform a sex act on Pornhub.

 

[3point14]

See previous answers.

I'll save you the trouble, Greg. There weren't any.

You can go see the previous evasions if you like.

 

[Poem]

We don't need to shut anything down, though in some cases splitting large corporations up would probably be beneficial.

What we need to do is decide what our values are and motivate companies to behave in ways that reflect those values.

I suspect the problem with respect to Pornhub is what we want our children to be taught about sex and relationships is different to what many people want to watch on Pornhub. E.g., Telling your daughter "You're not wearing that out of the house!" and then masturbating to a woman wearing something similar perform a sex act on Pornhub.

You are literally stating what our values (in general) are here. Those values have built the Pornhubs of this world.

If you mean the minority that do not share the values of the majority - then you have got your answer: Pornhub has been and is winning. Turkeys don't vote for Xmas and porn consumers aren't going to either.

 

[Myriad]

See previous answers.

Your previous answers do not contain the definition of porn that you want your ban to be based on. Nor do they contain the modifications of the Miller test in US law that you've claimed are necessary.

"But you also need a definition if it's legal." No, you don't. Laws don't specify what is legal, except when needed as exceptions to something illegal. When I trim vines from my porch railing, am I or am I not "gardening?" It doesn't matter, because there is no applicable law against gardening. But if my town had a ban on gardening on Sundays, and I were caught trimming vines from my porch railing on Sunday, the prosecutor and my defense lawyer would need to know the exact definition of gardening in order to take or defend against any legal action.

 

[Lithrael]

If you mean the minority that do not share the values of the majority (...)

I think you've totally missed Ivor's point in that post, which seems to me to be that individual people often use more than one set of values at once, contextually.

 

[lobosrul5]

Does anyone here want to defend porn featuring actors who look like children? According to Barnardo's it is rife on porn sites.

Sure, adults who look like children have as much rights to employment and free expression as adults who look like adults.

What would be the solution to the problem? A panel is convened and they vote on if a legal adult looks old enough or not?

 

[dirtywick]

definitions you'll never get aside, as a matter of practicality banning porn isn't really feasible unless you're willing to submit to living under a chinese style totalitarian surveillance state. and even they're not really successful

Pornography in China - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[dirtywick]

Sure, adults who look like children have as much rights to employment as adults who look like adults.

What would be the solution to the problem? A panel is convened and they vote on if a legal adult looks old enough or not?

i think it's also worth noting that adult men from like 18-24 could possibly have a healthy and age appropriate attraction to women in the "teen" category of porn.

i think what poem is doing here, and has been for quite some time, is presenting false or misleading data alongside scary quotes from ballnardo the king of police, and in essence calling everyone who doesn't agree or presents some nuance or criticism a pervert instead of engaging with the substance of the matter. i haven't found that very convincing.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

See previous answers.

None that address the question.

 

[Lithrael]

Especially the 'do you endorse this (icky thing)' rubbish. Maps one to one with trying to argue with free speech advocates via 'do you endorse this (unpleasant thing to say)' like. Do you seriously think you're about to get someone to go 'oh!! I see! Things I find unpleasant SHOULD be suppressed!'

 

[lobosrul5]

Especially the 'do you endorse this (icky thing)' rubbish. Maps one to one with trying to argue with free speech advocates via 'do you endorse this (unpleasant thing to say)' like. Do you seriously think you're about to get someone to go 'oh!! I see! Things I find unpleasant SHOULD be suppressed!'

There are genuinely people like this (many actually): free speech and expression is awesome, but not for the stuff I find troubling, don't like, or find icky etc. And they very often cannot see their own hypocrisy.

 

[3point14]

There are genuinely people like this (many actually): free speech and expression is awesome, but not for the stuff I find troubling, don't like, or find icky etc. And they very often cannot see their own hypocrisy.

Many, many people have trouble understanding that other people aren't them.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Many, many people have trouble understanding that other people aren't them.

And don't have their psychological hangups. Some of this thread reads less like a debate over sex, ethics, and free speech and more like something someone should be talking about to a shrink.

 

[theprestige]

I note you haven't provided a definition. Can you stop prevaricating and provide a definition of that which you want to ban?

I think "intended to sexually arouse" is a perfectly cromulent definition. Why don't you like it?

 

[lobosrul5]

I think "intended to sexually arouse" is a perfectly cromulent definition. Why don't you like it?

I guess Sports Illustrated Swimsuit edition is porn then. Rated PG-13 movies, often have a scene or two of porn. Before you know it we're mandating women go around in Burka's.