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Did We Kill Michael Jackson?

Tsukasa Buddha said:
And "he could only trust kids" is so BS. Kids are just as mean and two-faced as adults, it is just that adults have more power to manipulate them.
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Kids are worse than adults. They do things of such cruelty and depravity that if an adult behaved like that, he/she would be in a psychiatric ward or in prison. Of course, this makes sense. Age, experience and society civilize you. Kids don't yet know the difference between right and wrong and responsibility for one's actions- they aren't capable of it. Children have yet to learn how to behave like sane adults- that's why they are children.

You know what the difference is, though? A child is a threat to another child but zero threat to an adult (unless an adult manipulates a child into action against an adult). And children are liars and manipulators- but crude liars and manipulators. They are so petty, transparent and immature, an adult can usually easily see through it. It's Two Facedness 101.

And since they are such crude manipulators, kids can also be touchingly pure, naive and sincere. As a famous novelist said, children have half an angel and half a demon in them.

So I'd see why a person like Jackson would feel more comfortable and unguarded around children and trust them more.

Back to the OP: Jackson did indeed seem like a super sensitive and thin skinned. As he seemed to be stuck in childhood emotionally, this is not surprising. Little doubt the media coverage he got and the constant rumors (perhaps constant lies) hurt him deeply.

To say that "we killed him", though? I never pressed charges against him or sued him. I never reported he was mentally unstable and/or a pedophile. I never testified against him in court.
 
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EeneyMinnieMoe said:
kids can also be touchingly pure...
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Pure-minded! :boxedin:

And untouched and unspoiled...untouched by life, that is. :o

One can have a lot of sympathy and pity for Jackson and recognize that he wasn't a regular, normal and functional adult that could take all hits thrown at him "like a man" but our desire to know all about him didn't murder him.

How many good things came to him because of his celebrity? Along with all the very bad things that arguably came to him because of his fame and fortune (and despite it)? He might have been accused of child molestation only because of his fame as a singer- but maybe someone without the public's goodwill and adoration and access to the best legal help available would have gone to prison. Two sides of the coin. Two edged sword.

Of course, being falsely accused of a terrible crime is infuriating and damaging no matter who you are. There's nothing like being innocent and knowing you are innocent and facing charges you know are false. If he was falsely accused.
 
What if he was not a child molester? After looking into the details of the two cases I see hints that they were just shake downs. Parents wanting to take his weird behavior and making more out of it.

It is hard to separate rumor from fact in this world. I saw a news report from Australia that detailed an autopsy. And then hours later I found out that that was fake.

Ironicaly, TMZ broke the story of Michaels death and TMZ broke the story that the autopsy that everyone was reporting was fake. It turns out TMZ is the most reliable source.

If Michael was innocent then we need to consider that he died because of the sins of society and in fact he is our savior. We must let the innocent spirit of Micahel Jackson into our hearts and become true and pure beings.

OK, I am just saying that last part to see what kind of reaction I will get here.
 
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EeneyMinnieMoe said:
Back to the OP: Jackson did indeed seem like a super sensitive and thin skinned. As he seemed to be stuck in childhood emotionally, this is not surprising. Little doubt the media coverage he got and the constant rumors (perhaps constant lies) hurt him deeply.

To say that "we killed him", though? I never pressed charges against him or sued him. I never reported he was mentally unstable and/or a pedophile. I never testified against him in court.
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Artists are sensitive. You see, he was not like Elvis Presley who never wrote his songs or any other singers who just stand on stage and sing and that is basically all. Jackson wrote most of his songs and I think that most of them are very well put together. Artists are by nature very thin skinned and sensitive. They try to make their craft perfect and so that is how their personalities are.

No, I do not mean, you, personally, killed him. But it seems that as a society we were extraordinarilly cruel to him (that is, if all the accusations were false).

It is a poor excuse to say "hey, that is the price of fame. If you could not stand the tabloid crap, you should not have become famous"
 
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Bill Thompson said:
Did We Kill Michael Jackson? It is a simple yes or no question. Is it really so absurd? THink about it. First of all, I have been doing some digging on the two molestation charges and they both suspiciously seem like shake-downs. What about audio tape of the first accusers dad gloating about how much money he was going to get by knocking the music legend down.

He grew up sheltered from how harsh the world really was and how people will do anything for the all mighty dollar.

He was a Jehovah Witness and for a while he lived by their strict code of living with your parents until you are married. He was even going door-to-door in disguise with copies of The Watch Tower after Thriller became a success.

Maybe he wasn't a child molester. Maybe he was this eternal kid and the force of the harsh real world turned him in to an anorexic man whose only way to cope was pain killers.
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I know I did my part.
 
Bill Thompson said:
It is a poor excuse to say "hey, that is the price of fame. If you could not stand the tabloid crap, you should not have become famous"
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So personal responsibility for your own choices as an adult is a "poor excuse?"

Are you then a graduate of the School of Everything is All YOUR Fault?
How pathetic.
 
Bill Thompson said:
What if he was not a child molester? After looking into the details of the two cases I see hints that they were just shake downs. Parents wanting to take his weird behavior and making more out of it.

It is hard to separate rumor from fact in this world. I saw a news report from Australia that detailed an autopsy. And then hours later I found out that that was fake.

Ironicaly, TMZ broke the story of Michaels death and TMZ broke the story that the autopsy that everyone was reporting was fake. It turns out TMZ is the most reliable source.

If Michael was innocent then we need to consider that he died because of the sins of society and in fact he is our savior. We must let the innocent spirit of Micahel Jackson into our hearts and become true and pure beings.

OK, I am just saying that last part to see what kind of reaction I will get here.
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So when you post to Pax Imperium about research you're considering TMZ as a viable place to do your research?
 
Bill Thompson said:
In my opinion, Leonardo DiCaprio and Matthew McConaughey know what they are doing in picking a bride.
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You know that neither of those men are married, right? And never have been?

It's like the cherry on top of your stupid.
 
Bill Thompson said:
If Michael was innocent then we need to consider that he died because of the sins of society and in fact he is our savior. We must let the innocent spirit of Micahel Jackson into our hearts and become true and pure beings.
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I find your logic... challenging.

He wasn't the messiah. He was a very naughty boy.
 
and in fact he is our savior. We must let the innocent spirit of Micahel Jackson into our hearts and become true and pure beings.

OK, I am just saying that last part to see what kind of reaction I will get here.
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it would be interesting to do that in a MJ fan forum, here it will get you just facepalms :)
 
Bill Thompson said:
What if he was not a child molester? After looking into the details of the two cases I see hints that they were just shake downs. Parents wanting to take his weird behavior and making more out of it.
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How about the possibility that both times (actually, I think there were more than two) unscrupulous parents set traps....but that he fell into them? It's entirely possible for those to have been successful set ups. Not all victims are innocent.
 
TragicMonkey said:
How about the possibility that both times (actually, I think there were more than two) unscrupulous parents set traps....but that he fell into them? It's entirely possible for those to have been successful set ups. Not all victims are innocent.
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Speaking about parental traps, I suppose that Michael's father most probably may be responsible for Michael's troubles concerning his lost childhood. Did he do it intentionally? - I really doubt that.
 
Bill Thompson said:
Did We Kill Michael Jackson? It is a simple yes or no question. Is it really so absurd? THink about it. First of all, I have been doing some digging on the two molestation charges and they both suspiciously seem like shake-downs. What about audio tape of the first accusers dad gloating about how much money he was going to get by knocking the music legend down.

He grew up sheltered from how harsh the world really was and how people will do anything for the all mighty dollar.

He was a Jehovah Witness and for a while he lived by their strict code of living with your parents until you are married. He was even going door-to-door in disguise with copies of The Watch Tower after Thriller became a success.

Maybe he wasn't a child molester. Maybe he was this eternal kid and the force of the harsh real world turned him in to an anorexic man whose only way to cope was pain killers.
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YES!
 
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