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Did We Kill Michael Jackson?

slingblade said:
So personal responsibility for your own choices as an adult is a "poor excuse?"

Are you then a graduate of the School of Everything is All YOUR Fault?
How pathetic.
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I think the answer is somewhere in between. Successful performers have enormous pressures placed on them, both by themselves, in advancing their art, and the business machine around them making demands on time etc.

Like any profession, not all practictioners are created equal. Some performers are very intelligent and able to cope with both side of their industry, avoid the pitfalls while making wise decisions about the people they surround themselves with and trust with their money.

In Jackson we see someone artistically exceptionally well gifted, but virtually no aptitude for running his real life. Given he lived in a personal bubble from age 10 - even if he was capable of developing those life skills, the oppotunity was never there.

One observation I would make of Jackson, he appears to have been very poorly advised in a number of areas, this suggests that either he needed/wanted yes men around him, or was manipulated to include them.

For the sake of the argument lets assume that Jackson's intentions of sleeping in the same bed as these children was based on good intentions. Well meaning minders and associates would have to have suggested to him this was an exceedingly poor choice, given the potential for allegations, that have since surfaced.

It is easy for us to fall back on 'personal responsibilty' arguement. However there is every chance that Jackson never had a moral compass as part of his developement or that he ever saw examples of 'personal responsibility' in his life.

Now, so to avoid the potential dog piling on me - I offer this as an explanation for Jackson's possible excesses, not an excuse for them
 
If Michael was innocent then we need to consider that he died because of the sins of society and in fact he is our savior. We must let the innocent spirit of Micahel Jackson into our hearts and become true and pure beings.
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Disco-Jesus?
 
MG1962 said:
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Like any profession, not all practictioners are created equal. Some performers are very intelligent and able to cope with both side of their industry, avoid the pitfalls while making wise decisions about the people they surround themselves with and trust with their money.
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Joni Mitchell's "Free Man in Paris"...
..."I was a free man in paris
I felt unfettered and alive
There was nobody calling me up for favors
And no ones future to decide
You know Id go back there tomorrow
But for the work Ive taken on
Stoking the star maker machinery
Behind the popular song"
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In Jackson we see someone artistically exceptionally well gifted, but virtually no aptitude for running his real life. Given he lived in a personal bubble from age 10 - even if he was capable of developing those life skills, the oppotunity was never there.

One observation I would make of Jackson, he appears to have been very poorly advised in a number of areas, this suggests that either he needed/wanted yes men around him, or was manipulated to include them.
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Yes, he never had the opportunity nor apparently the inclination to get above the adoration/ass-kissing/tell-me-I'm-the-Greatest environment that grew up around him.
 
Bill Thompson said:
I mean, does society as it exists today play a role in the demise of this man in an unfair and unjust way?

Got it?
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Thanks, but I got it the first time.

The question is in fact identical to the question, "does society as it exists today play a role in the success or failure of Bill Thompson in an unfair and unjust way?" If you want to take credit for MJ's outcomes, then I get to take credit for your outcomes.
 
I found this little blerb a little shocking:

http://blogfalls.com/blog/jordan-chandler-admits-he-lied-about-michael-jackson

So Evan Chandler was envious that his kid was spending all this time with Jackson and so forced his son to make up the molestation charges.

This does not dismiss all the other rumors I have heard. But for once I am thinking that all the bad press against him just might have been made up. Holy Cow!!
 
Bill Thompson said:
I found this little blerb a little shocking:

http://blogfalls.com/blog/jordan-chandler-admits-he-lied-about-michael-jackson

So Evan Chandler was envious that his kid was spending all this time with Jackson and so forced his son to make up the molestation charges.

This does not dismiss all the other rumors I have heard. But for once I am thinking that all the bad press against him just might have been made up. Holy Cow!!
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Amazing!!! Do you have any other sources besides a Blog?
 
Bill Thompson said:
If Michael was innocent then we need to consider that he died because of the sins of society and in fact he is our savior. We must let the innocent spirit of Micahel Jackson into our hearts and become true and pure beings.

OK, I am just saying that last part to see what kind of reaction I will get here.
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The way most people are acting toward his death, he might as well be the son of god.
 
Even if Michael was not a pedophile, even if he never had any bad intentions towards the kids, even if he was "unique" and shouldn't have been held to standards you'd hold for non-artists and non-celebrities- do you really blame the media and the public for their reaction to his behavior?

What would you think of a twice divorced single father of three 40 something year old man holding sleepovers for strange children? It would be one thing if he invited 11-year-olds as company for his kids (or if they were close relatives like nieces or nephews) but for himself? Of course you'd think that.

As a matter of fact, if this hypothetical middle aged twice divorced single father of three lived next door to you and people routinely dropped off their kids at his home, chances are you would be wondering why the cops weren't already swarming the place.

Maybe Jackson wasn't your average person and the same assumptions shouldn't have applied to him, as they would to any average human being...but do you blame the rest of us for reacting like most normal people would?
 
Bill Thompson said:
So yes, lazybones.

What? You can't click on a link or do a little search?

The news has been reported by the BGNES news agency which cites an interview with Chandler in an American news website.

http://www.novinite.com/newsletter/print.php?id=105204


http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&q=jordan chandler lied

http://news.search.yahoo.com/news/s...FyY2g-?fr=sfp&ei=UTF-8&p=jordan+chandler+lied
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That's nice. Would you care to link directly to this interview? Sorry I can't find it...
 
EeneyMinnieMoe said:
Even if Michael was not a pedophile, even if he never had any bad intentions towards the kids, even if he was "unique" and shouldn't have been held to standards you'd hold for non-artists and non-celebrities- do you really blame the media and the public for their reaction to his behavior?
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I don't know. Did he have anything really like a normal life?

We can never know because we cannot walk in his shoes.

According to Jackson's biographer J. Randy Taraborrelli, "Billie Jean" was derived from a real life experience the singer faced in 1981. The Magic & The Madness documents how a young woman wrote a letter to Jackson, informing the singer that he was the father of one of her twins. Jackson, who regularly received letters of this kind, had never met the woman in question and ignored it. The woman sent more letters to Jackson, claiming that she loved him and wanted to be with him. She wrote of how happy they would be, bringing up the child together. She pondered how Jackson could ignore his own flesh and blood. Due to the stress of receiving the letters, the singer suffered from nightmares.

Following the letters, Jackson received a parcel containing a photograph of the fan, as well as a letter and a gun. Jackson was horrified—the letter asked that the pop star kill himself on a certain day and at a specific time. The fan would do the same once she had killed their baby. She wrote that if they could not be together in this life, then they would be in the next. To his mother's dismay, Jackson had the photograph framed and hung above the dining room table of their family home. Afterward, the Jacksons discovered that the female fan had been sent to a psychiatric hospital.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billie_Jean
 
paximperium said:
That's nice. Would you care to link directly to this interview? Sorry I can't find it...
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They all seem to quote the BGNES news agency. I never heard of them. But they must be legit otherwise, why would anyone quote them?
Let's just wait and see if this is legit.
 
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EMM,

Exactly. We can't know for sure if the guy was a pedophile but there are a lot of signs he seemed to lean that way. Aside from being an older single man who routinely invites kids into his bedroom, here are some other red flags that, taken collectively, look pretty goshdarn suspicious IMO ...

Michael continued to have his adult-free sleep-overs even after a serious accusation. The guy hits me as odd, but not stupid. Pedophiles often risk legally questionable behavior w/kids, even after being accused of molestation or rape, or being convicted.

Pedophiles also tend to court women for the main purpose of being around her kids (or to have them). And often seem to lack interest in adult woman (or men).

They tend to see children as their developmental equals, or claim they see it that way (Michael stated that in at least one interview I can recall).

They often were physically and/or sexually abused themselves.

They often have poor social boundaries with kids ... am thinking of that interview with Bashir where Michael is holding hands with the boy; fingers intertwined like lovers. Or Michael calling kids up at 3AM to have a chat ... The way he described the kids sleeping over ("charming", how he'd "light the fireplace"). My subjective opinion is his language often described eros rather than agape and his obsessive love of kids to the exclusion of adults was more than a little disturbing.

And that alarm system outside his bedroom ... I don't know. But the most disturbing thing IMO was that parents thoughtlessly rented their kids out to him for overnights.
 
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