Did We Kill Michael Jackson?

[paximperium]

Are they not?

My experience is that in this country, how much money you have is the most important attraction. My experience is that it is not this way in other cultures.

Suuuure, YOUR experience is great evidence of this.

Paximperim, if that is your real name, are you quoting me because you agree or disagree with me? Or is it something along the lines of "the truth is sometimes shocking and it hurts"?

Nah, it has to be quoted because sometimes some folk are so proud of stating something so inherently stupid and bigoted that it needs to be shared with all.

BTW: Yes I go by paximperium in everyday life

 

[Bill Thompson]

Suuuure, YOUR experience is great evidence of this.


Nah, it has to be quoted because sometimes some folk are so proud of stating something so inherently stupid and bigoted that it needs to be shared with all.

I was kind of joking and kind of being serious. The fact that you are soooo offended makes me think there is some truth in it.

BTW: Yes I go by paximperium in everyday life

I was joking. But, at the same time, it is fun to hide behind a pseudo-name. You do not have to be held accountable or do any research.

i think i agree on the trust part.

i have no clue about US gold digging woman (does it mean they all just want money and nice cars?)

OK, seriously, maybe I could have worded it better and carefully select every single word so that it did not sound as shocking or offensive, but, come on, the way the culture here is is scary as hell. Some rich guy marries some girl he is sure he is in love with and she turns around and wants her freedom and half of his millions eventhough she did nothing to earn it.

That game don't play in other countries. It seems to play in the UK where Paul McCartney's ex walked (ah ha... ironic unintentional imagery) away with half of his millions that took him most of his life to build up.

The law is angled so unfairly towards women it is sickening. I am sure Jackson was very hesitant towards marrying.... and then there was pallamoney... maybe even dating had their risks.

Oh, remember "Billy Jene is not my lover..."? THere are rumors that that was about a real case where some bimbo was trying to get Jacksons money beccause she claimed some kid was his.

Contrary to what everyone thinks. He and Lisa Marie were good friends and there are photos (albiet he is in disguise) of him and her in Disney World with her kids from the first marrage. I think he thought she was a safe bet since she was already worth about as much as he is.

 

[DC]

OK, seriously, maybe I could have worded it better and carefully select every single word so that it did not sound as shocking or offensive, but, come on, the way the culture here is is scary as hell. Some rich guy marries some girl he is sure he is in love with and she turns around and wants her freedom and half of his millions eventhough she did nothing to earn it.

That game don't play in other countries. It seems to play in the UK where Paul McCartney's ex walked (ah ha... ironic unintentional imagery) away with half of his millions that took him most of his life to build up.

The law is angled so unfairly towards women it is sickening. I am sure Jackson was very hesitant towards marrying.... and then there was pallamoney... maybe even dating had their risks.

Oh, remember "Billy Jene is not my lover..."? THere are rumors that that was about a real case where some bimbo was trying to get Jacksons money beccause she claimed some kid was his.

Contrary to what everyone thinks. He and Lisa Marie were good friends and there are photos (albiet he is in disguise) of him and her in Disney World with her kids from the first marrage. I think he thought she was a safe bet since she was already worth about as much as he is.

well i would never state it so generalized, but around here alot woman prefer a rich guy with a nice car. but sure not all of them, i know, i dont even have a car

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

<insert obligitory "John & Kate +8" reference>

<insert obligatory "octo-mom" reply>

 

[paximperium]

I was joking. But, at the same time, it is fun to hide behind a pseudo-name. You do not have to be held accountable or do any research.

Sure is. I get to play without any significant repercussions. If I get bored of this persona, I get to change it.

Oh it was a joke therefore your sexist crap(which you actually tried to defend) is magically justified. A pseudonym is a great persona to play around with since it isn't the real me...you mean Bill Thompson online is the same as the real you? Man, you may want to really hide you sexist post from anyone who knows you then.

BTW:
What "research" would you like me to do? I'm not the one making a claim and making crap up now am I?

So do you have any this "research" concerning the "gold-digging" nature of American women?

So what psychological or sociological basis research are you claiming that "we killed Micheal Jackson"? Have the tox reports from the coroner been reported yet or are you reporting your "research" again?

 

[Steelmage]

You mean my dark evil psychic powers work, bwah-haahaahaaahaaa!!!!

 

[Bill Thompson]

well i would never state it so generalized, but around here alot woman prefer a rich guy with a nice car. but sure not all of them, i know, i dont even have a car

Going to Brazil was a culture shock... in Brazil's favour. The stress level of trying to impress women like in the USA dissolved. It is nice to go to a club to dance (not to get drunk) and meeting women to talk (not for anything else).

I am sorry. But from my experience, the dating scene in other countries is a lot less materialistic.

I have been to Greece, Spain, Itally, Israel and Brazil and even Canada. They all are less materialistac than what I found when I was in college in the USA. The first questions in college alway seemed to probe what kind of salary would you make when you got out.

That is my experience.

In my opinion, Leonardo DiCaprio and Matthew McConaughey know what they are doing in picking a bride.

Surely it can be said, without any doubt whatsoever, that if Michael Jackson went to Brazil for a wife, he would still be alive today.

You know I am just kidding. Sort of. But every joke as an element of truth.

The culture in this country has really gone downhill too. Just look at the teen pregnancy rate. And NO it is not as high as in other countries. You can't say that the United States is filled with mostly honest self-respecting women. Well, you can. Which would go further to prove my point.

 

[Fnord]

Did We Kill Michael Jackson?

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I don't know about you, but I certainly had no part - actual, virtual, or otherwise - in his death.

Is it really so absurd?

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Yes.

Mr. Jackson chose his lifestyle. He chose to commit the actions that got him in legal trouble. He chose the physician that was with him in his final moments. And at no time did Mr. Jackson ever consult me or solicit my opinion in any of the choices he made throughout his entire life. I share no guilt or concern over the life of Mr. Jackson, or the choices that he made - of his own free will - that led up to his death.

There is no such thing as "Social" guilt.

He's dead ... gone ... history ... and speculation about who is at fault is best left up to the coroner, district attorney, and others in the legal system - not some ersatz liberalist guilt-mongers intent on laming up a forum dedicated to reason with their pet theories on "Social Guilt" and other memes that are introduced into society for the sole purpose of inspiring a "kinder, gentler nation."

I mean, does society as it exists today play a role in the demise of this man in an unfair and unjust way?

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Not just "No", but HELL NO!

It all comes down to the choices that Mr. Jackson made and the actions he committed - only these, and nothing more. Society is not to blame any more than you are to blame for the choices I made and the actions I took that led to my disabilities ... and if you are, then I hope you have a good lawyer!

 

[slingblade]

I was kind of joking and kind of being serious. The fact that you are soooo offended makes me think there is some truth in it.

That you are being sooooooo ultra-defensive about it indicates to me you are scared, and are using this tactic to avoid any accountability for the stupid argument you just tried to "create."

I was joking. But, at the same time, it is fun to hide behind a pseudo-name. You do not have to be held accountable or do any research.

It sure beats hell out of saying such stupid, Yrreg-like nonsense that your real name is forever tarnished, and will always bear the stigma of Teh Stoopid! to those who continue to have the misfortune of reading such playground "wisdom." Later, I am sending over a kitten for you to kick.

OK, seriously, maybe I could have worded it better and carefully select every single word so that it did not sound as shocking or offensive, but, come on, the way the culture here is is scary as hell. Some rich guy marries some girl he is sure he is in love with and she turns around and wants her freedom and half of his millions eventhough she did nothing to earn it.

That game don't play in other countries. It seems to play in the UK where Paul McCartney's ex walked (ah ha... ironic unintentional imagery) away with half of his millions that took him most of his life to build up.

Oh, lookie! Proof that using your real name also absolves you of...what did you call it? Oh, yes: being "held accountable or do[ing] any research.."

McCartney's net worth is $1.6 BILLION. In what Bizarro universe is $50 million considered half of 1.6 billion, pray tell?

The law is angled so unfairly towards women it is sickening.

Trust me: as of your post, you will never have to worry about any woman ever being interested in you again.

 

[Thunder]

why don't we let the coroner do his job first.

 

[paximperium]

why don't we let the coroner do his job first.

What are you? One of them rational and patient types?

 

[shadron]

The culture in this country has really gone downhill too. Just look at the teen pregnancy rate. And NO it is not as high as in other countries. You can't say that the United States is filled with mostly honest self-respecting women. Well, you can. Which would go further to prove my point.

But everything, everywhere proves your point, Bill. You are incapable of error, as far as I can tell.

 

[Fnord]

why don't we let the coroner do his job first.

What are you? One of them rational and patient types?

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No ... one of those sexist types. How do we know that the coroner isn't a woman? I mean, I watch CSI on TV, and all of those women are HAWT!

 

[paximperium]

Surely it can be said, without any doubt whatsoever, that if Michael Jackson went to Brazil for a wife, he would still be alive today.

You know I am just kidding. Sort of. But every joke as an element of truth.

Oh my god...Yrreg and Bill Thompson are the same person!!!

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Did We Kill Michael Jackson? It is a simple yes or no question. Is it really so absurd? THink about it. First of all, I have been doing some digging on the two molestation charges and they both suspiciously seem like shake-downs. What about audio tape of the first accusers dad gloating about how much money he was going to get by knocking the music legend down.

He grew up sheltered from how harsh the world really was and how people will do anything for the all mighty dollar.

He was a Jehovah Witness and for a while he lived by their strict code of living with your parents until you are married. He was even going door-to-door in disguise with copies of The Watch Tower after Thriller became a success.

Maybe he wasn't a child molester. Maybe he was this eternal kid and the force of the harsh real world turned him in to an anorexic man whose only way to cope was pain killers.

No we didn't.

"Victim of society" is just a poor excuse to abandon ones own responsibility.

 

[Vortigern99]

I tend to agree with you, Bill Thompson, in that Jackson was probably disturbed in some way, but there is little if any real evidence of his alleged pedophilia, and what there is -- namely, witness testimony -- is highly questionable. (In the 1993 case no charges were officially filed, and in 2005 MJ was acquitted.)

But whether "we killed him" is another question. If you mean that the unrelenting nature of the limelight drove him to (alleged) anorexia and (possible) pain-killer addicition, then yes, I would tend to agree. His fame and notoriety may have been contributing factors to the anxiety and stress that likely plagued him late in life. But on other hand, many people are anxious and stressed who are not famous at all, so you have to wonder where the cart is and where the horse.

Also, as to American women being gold-diggers, I must say that I am American, as are my wife, mother and sister (dec.). None of them married for money; in fact, quite the opposite.(Read: I'm poor. ) None of the friends, cousins or aunts I can think of married for money, either. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I don't think it's endemic and widespread as you seem to believe.

 

[-Axiom-]

People who seek fame have little cause to complain about the effects of it.

Due to his immense and undeniable talents he was thrust into the spotlight at the tender age of 5...

It didn't seem to be a choice that he freely made.

 

[slingblade]

Oh my god...Yrreg and Bill Thompson are the same person!!!

I called it first.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Due to his immense and undeniable talents he was thrust into the spotlight at the tender age of 5...

It didn't seem to be a choice that he freely made.

And in the following 45 years it didn't occur to him that he could stop whenever he chose and live off his accumulated millions?

 

[I Ratant]

Due to his immense and undeniable talents he was thrust into the spotlight at the tender age of 5...

It didn't seem to be a choice that he freely made.

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In the environment he existed, there was little chance anything resembling an opportunity for introspection as to the direction his life was going or could take was ever even a possibility.
Too many distractions and seekers of fortune looking to live like parasites off his talents, all clamoring for attention.
With no internal resources ever developed, and the pernicious environment of top-level entertainment, he would have had no chance to become anything other than the media idol he and everyone around him desired him to be.