Crop circle debunking help needed

jakesteele said:
The parts of your post that I have bolded are questions I have asked in various discussions I have had on crop circles. I, too, have searched for the approx. number of circles that have been created. It seems like you would have to have a lot of underground teams to do all of these circles but there are not enough admissions to cover all of the events. It seems like more people would talk with friends, especially with a few beers involved. But so far there have been too few admissions for the many that have been reported and photographed.
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Which suggests what to you?
 
chuck4842 said:
You're wrong. I personally witnessed farmers around here draw guns on mexicans stealing silverqueen. They don't situp all night. Because they haven't had nightly violations. If there crop was known to be trespassed at the rate of Englands, let's just say there would be alot less circlemakers.
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If they don't sit up all night, how is it relevant? And what rate? How many crop circles do you think are made in England per year? A hundred? Thousand? Well not more. How many fields of crop do you think there are?

Do you think farmers will loose precious sleep guarding their farms at night, for the less than 1% risk that somebody will cause them to incur a 10% yield loss in one their fields?

Think again.

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
If they don't sit up all night, how is it relevant? And what rate? How many crop circles do you think are made in England per year? A hundred? Thousand? Well not more.
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Average about 60 to 70 get reported to the crop circle websites.

MRC_Hans said:
How many fields of crop do you think there are?
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Thousands.

MRC_Hans said:
Do you think farmers will loose precious sleep guarding their farms at night, for the less than 1% risk that somebody will cause them to incur a 10% yield loss in one their fields?
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Out of the approximate 100 days (nights) during the crop season and the thousands of fields potentially suitable for a design, the odds of any farmer happening to be awake and on guard on a particular night is less than slim and even if they were, here in the UK it is a very serious offence to threaten anyone with a gun or weapon of any kind... So it's just not going to happen and isn't a concern of the circlemakers.

MRC_Hans said:
Think again.
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This presumes he thunked in the first place. :)
 
23_Tauri said:
Yup. Nancy Talbot, the 'Beaker' to Levengood's 'Dr Busen Honeydew', thought Robert's snow circles were made by aliens. Hence my pic.
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And the inclusion of a tellytubby was to signify that Talbot is living in LaLa* land right? :)


* Though I must say I have no idea of the individual identities of the tellytubbies
 
Stray Cat said:
Out of the approximate 100 days (nights) during the crop season and the thousands of fields potentially suitable for a design, the odds of any farmer happening to be awake and on guard on a particular night is less than slim and even if they were, here in the UK it is a very serious offence to threaten anyone with a gun or weapon of any kind... So it's just not going to happen and isn't a concern of the circlemakers.
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Precisely. I have given some thought to how I would create such a pattern (but I value my other nocturnal activities more), and interference is really not a big issue. One of the tools I would use to lay it out would be a camera tripod with a calibrated panning head. So bring a camera too, and if discovered, you can always claim that you were out to photograph owls, or ... crop circles.

The basic thing is that there is nothing in any of the designs that could not be made by humans. So why even consider other sources?

Hans
 
Stray Cat said:
And the inclusion of a tellytubby was to signify that Talbot is living in LaLa* land right? :)
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That was the sentiment, IIRC.

There's as much evidence for aliens making snow circles as there is for them being the work of Tellytubbies in art class. To draw parallels with another on-going discussion on these boards, it's a bit like UFOs: Witches vs Alien Space Ships. ;)

Stray Cat said:
* Though I must say I have no idea of the individual identities of the tellytubbies
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The red one making the snow circle with her scooter is Po.
 
quarky said:
If large grain fields were seen as potential advertizing space, maybe the farmers could profit from the artistic destruction of part of their crop?
Maybe spell out the name of the seed company, or the fertilizer manufacturer?
Farmers used to get a few bucks to have adds on their barn roofs, if they faced a highway.
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Happens quite a lot, for all kinds of clients. Circlemakers.org regularly get asked to make crop circles commercially, from everyone from Greenpeace to the BBC to these guys:



The farmer is compensated for any loss of crop, the circlemaking team get paid by the client, and the client gets publicity. Everyone's happy.

Oh, except the "aliens do it" crowd, because to them human circlemakers are 'hoaxers' who are CIA undercover operatives who deserve sending directly to hell without any supper.
 
Stray Cat said:
Out of the approximate 100 days (nights) during the crop season and the thousands of fields potentially suitable for a design, the odds of any farmer happening to be awake and on guard on a particular night is less than slim and even if they were, here in the UK it is a very serious offence to threaten anyone with a gun or weapon of any kind... So it's just not going to happen and isn't a concern of the circlemakers.
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Oh gosh, yes, very serious indeed. Poor Eva and her friends. Mr Wilson (husband of the mayor of Oldham, IIRC) did get into trouble and rightly so. England is not a place to go pointing loaded firearms at innocent, if slightly loopy, tourists:

Crop circle ‘tour’ ends in gunfire

Crop circle 'vigilante': Farm worker who turned his gun on UFO hunters is arrested
 
Originally Posted by kittynh
Some of you may know I work a lot with UFO and alien abductee believers.

One problem I have is with crop circles. WHen I talk about government conspiracy cover up (in regards to UFOs and aliens) I point out that with all the people involved, someone would talk. In fact lots of someones and honesty, can you see all the governments of the world cooperating on this "cover up"?But eventually someone tells me that crop circles are REAL and done by aliens (they lose me hear, for all we know trolls could make crop circles). THey say "would all the poeple making these circles keep quiet?" I can point to the two nice old men that come forward, and some faked video, but for the number of circles I can't find much. I can find lots of explainations and lots of people that show how to make crop circles. But it seems that actual "I made THIS" confessions are few. Or maybe I don't know where to find reputable ones.


ALso, one lead I was following up (a member of a group that supposedly makes crop circles, though I never got a confession) told me "The reason you don't have more crop circle in the US is your farmers have more guns and aren't afraid to use them".

Any help is welcome. It seems if I can show "look anyone can make one" isn't the same as proving aliens didn't make them... sigh


jakesteele said:
The parts of your post that I have bolded are questions I have asked in various discussions I have had on crop circles. I, too, have searched for the approx. number of circles that have been created. It seems like you would have to have a lot of underground teams to do all of these circles but there are not enough admissions to cover all of the events. It seems like more people would talk with friends, especially with a few beers involved. But so far there have been too few admissions for the many that have been reported and photographed.
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I really believe, these are important posts, and deserve repeating due to no response.
 
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chuck4842 said:
I really believe, these are important posts, and deserve repeating due to no response.
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You did get responses, from Robotimbo, Marduk, Stray Cat and MRC Hans. Did you not see those?

Basically, it's like this. Crop circles have power over their audiences because they are anonymous pieces of art. The majority of crop circle makers realise this. That's why they don't go talking to their mates down the pub (or the press, incidentally, were the press interested) once their night shift is done.

You go into a field, you make a crop circle. You may have one or two friends to assist you. If the circle is discovered then it may well get visitors. If it doesn't, it doesn't. For circle makers that I have known, the act of creation is enough.
 
23_Tauri said:
You did get responses, from Robotimbo, Marduk, Stray Cat and MRC Hans. Did you not see those?

Basically, it's like this. Crop circles have power over their audiences because they are anonymous pieces of art. The majority of crop circle makers realise this. That's why they don't go talking to their mates down the pub (or the press, incidentally, were the press interested) once their night shift is done.

You go into a field, you make a crop circle. You may have one or two friends to assist you. If the circle is discovered then it may well get visitors. If it doesn't, it doesn't. For circle makers that I have known, the act of creation is enough.
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I should've noticed immediately it was just a bunch of drunk college kids.
Ok than, mystery solved.
 
chuck4842 said:
You're right! You didn't. You did insinuate human hoaxters though. Were they seniors using walkers?
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I've been acquainted with several crop circle makers in my time, and none of them were of college age, nor drawing their pensions.

ETA: in case you hadn't noticed, there's about 45 years of active life in between these two ages of man.
 
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23_Tauri said:
I've been acquainted with several crop circle makers in my time, and none of them were of college age, nor drawing their pensions.

ETA: in case you hadn't noticed, there's about 45 years of active life in between these two ages of man.
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I happen to be the age of mid 40's. None of my friends, ever, invited me out on crop circle night. If they had, I would've declined, no duh, are ya sure. yep. Nope , not up for it.
 
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