Crop circle debunking help needed

ufology said:
You're missing the context. Advice was asked for on how to specifically deal with the issue. It's not relevant whether or not we've talked about crop circles before, The thread starter says, to quote, "Any help is welcome." So who are you to be giving me a hard time about offering my help?

j.r.
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The request for help was: "Crop circle debunking help needed".

Is that the kind of help you'll be providing?
 
Akhenaten said:
Someone who, just like the vast majority of us, realises that you have no interest in helping anyone to debunk nonsensical ET explanations for crop circles, and that you are, in fact, part of the problem.
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I suppose you are entitled to your prejudicial biased opinions like anybody else here, but why not offer some advice that deals with the thread's topic instead of attacking other posters?

j.r.
 
ufology said:
I suppose you are entitled to your prejudicial biased opinions like anybody else here, but why not offer some advice that deals with the thread's topic instead of attacking other posters?

j.r.
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I am offering advice that deals with the thread topic. I am advising everyone who reads the thread not to rely on flying saucerers for information about crop circles because of their ridicuous beliefs in aliens/ETs and their generally woeful approach to investigating paranormal phenomena.
 
AdMan said:
The request for help was: "Crop circle debunking help needed".

Is that the kind of help you'll be providing?
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That is exactly what was offered if you had read my response. I'm not here for the purpose of advocating any particular position on the topic. These are my initial posts showing this is true:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7393862&postcount=476

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7394288&postcount=478

j.r.
 
ufology said:
That is exactly what was offered if you had read my response. I'm not here for the purpose of advocating any particular position on the topic.
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No, you're not.

What you're here to do is advocate your position on alien/ET explanations for UFOs, and the topic of this thread is merely a vehicle for that.


As Tauri said:

23_Tauri said:
Ah, well it must've been my mistake, because when I read in your post 476 your words "it makes no sense as a means of alien communication" it suggested to me that you knew something about the motivations of aliens. It wasn't clear to me that you were making assumptions that aliens would think it silly to draw abstract patterns in crops to attract the attention of the locals. Which is odd, because that's actually what they have done.
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The aliens are big fans of punk rock anarchists
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/stonehenge/comments.html

Maybe they are trying to communicate with the survivors of the Clash, the Ramones and Siouxsie and the Banshees? Maybe the goal is to organize a punk-rock concert at Stonehenge for the next solstice (the Crass logo appearing at the time of the solstice).

Personally I think that ain't a bad idea at all. Who knew? ET hearts punk. Wonder what Johnny Rotten makes of it (or whatever he calls himself these days)?
 
Yes, all is topsy-turvy logic in the world of the crop circle 'researcher' :rolleyes: , or cerealogist as they used to be known. Genuine or real means not man-made, whilst hoax means man-made. :boggled:
 
23_Tauri said:
Yes, all is topsy-turvy logic in the world of the crop circle 'researcher' :rolleyes: , or cerealogist as they used to be known. Genuine or real means not man-made, whilst hoax means man-made. :boggled:
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I wonder if ufologists consider cerealogists to be pseudoscientists.

That would be a bit internecine, as well as really hard to say.
 
the blue raven said:
The aliens are big fans of punk rock anarchists
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/stonehenge/comments.html

Maybe they are trying to communicate with the survivors of the Clash, the Ramones and Siouxsie and the Banshees? Maybe the goal is to organize a punk-rock concert at Stonehenge for the next solstice (the Crass logo appearing at the time of the solstice).

Personally I think that ain't a bad idea at all. Who knew? ET hearts punk. Wonder what Johnny Rotten makes of it (or whatever he calls himself these days)?
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Thanks for that link - got my morning dose of Teh Crazy before my first cup of coffee.
 
ufology said:
In other words, if they really wanted to communicate ... there would be no lingering doubt about it ... they could make sure we know.
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But maybe they did not really want to communicate. Perhaps they were just leaving marks for themselves to see, the alien equivalent of "Kilroy was here"?
 
I have to say though that I loooove crop circles. I think they are among the best art works in the world today. That's why it misses the point just to roll our eyes at all the true believers out there, I mean I'm just awed and incredibly impressed at the artistry of these formations (although of course the standards are all over the place, some are very very good, others just mediocre).

I don't like to call the artists hoaxers. They are artists, among the best in the world today. There is no display art that can match the agriglyphs, none. When I think of all that is involved in successfully carving these things in the English countryside or wherever else, especially without getting caught, their size, the sheer beauty of many of them, the multiple traditions they draw on, the complex geometry. Do you know how difficult it is to get the formations 'right' and not screw up, especially with multiple circles and in light of the patterned symmetry? It ain't easy I will tell you that much.

I know it can be a pain for the farmers, but the artists actually take considerable care in not damaging the crop too much, the problem comes with all the visitors trampling around in the formations, not walking on the tram-lines, that kind of thing. I also appreciate the artists making these things near the old sacred sites of Britain, it's clever is what I mean. Personally I think these guys are among the best artists in the world today (if not the best), and they don't get near the credit they deserve. And for what reward? Maybe the beauty of the formations is its own reward.. At least we have a record of them.
 
The blue raven

Nice post. I was hoping again this year to visit one, but haven't been able to organise it.
 
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