Crop circle debunking help needed

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

My last two posts were me admitting some were manmade. Even though I shouldn't extend the courtesy that wasn't offered to me. My evidence of a scientific report reviewed by a group of scientists, accepted and published, by an International Scientific Journal , whom specialize in the biology of plants. That evidence. Was rejected and tossed away because of a rejected report of an engineer who works for sketical organization.


My evidence of a Fox 8 news report video that showed a scientist walking into a crop circle holding up the dried like heated up nodes to the camera, and the formation lined east west exactly. Not with the trim lines, the formation was oblivious to any known references, of the landscape. That evidence., was rejected, declared hoax, because my simpleton self couldn't produce the paper trail.

Neither of those descriptions are actually true, are they?

If you can't play fair, why should I?

That all depends on what you want to get out of this thread, really. If you think your time here is best served by sulking, then feel free.

 

[Angel Love]

I agree, the very idea that humans could cooperate and plan a complex action taking 45 minutes is totally ludicrous.

Where on earth have you both got this idea from? The whole video isn't them making the formation, it's a documentary. Did I miss something?

 

[Stray Cat]

Where on earth have you both got this idea from? The whole video isn't them making the formation, it's a documentary. Did I miss something?

I think tsig was using sarcasm.

 

[chuck4842]

If I say I'm not sure if it's manmade, and you say it is. Somebody has got to proove why other than the handy guide provided in the circlemakers for 5.99. Do I need to repost the review of that book in it's entirety? Show me where in that book it teaches you how to weave the crops like this.


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=650&pictureid=4282


If its manmade, they got more resources than boards ,surveyors tape, night vision goggles.....yada..yada...yada. It just seems like alot of trouble to pull just a hoax.

??? No response....ok I guess it's back to the oblivious, non-comprehension, no fair typical practice.

 

[Stray Cat]

If I say I'm not sure if it's manmade, and you say it is. Somebody has got to proove why

No they dont... look at man made as being the null hypothesis. We have enough evidence to know for sure it's a possibility. Then see how much evidence you can find that counters the null hypothesis.

If I can help you with bits of information I will (that's what I've been trying to do), but I'm not here to prove anything to you.

other than the handy guide provided in the circlemakers for 5.99. Do I need to repost the review of that book in it's entirety? Show me where in that book it teaches you how to weave the crops like this.

I thought you'd mentioned the Mirage Men, that's not about crop circles at all.
You could always try The Field Guide That's all about the art, history, and philosophy of circlemaking.

As for WM's basketweave... Contact him and ask him how he did it. Mathew is one of the shall we say, less anonymous and more open to blabbingtalking about details of his involvement in circlemaking and I'm sure he'd only too willing to tell you all about it. Here's his YouTube channel

If its manmade, they got more resources than boards ,surveyors tape, night vision goggles.....yada..yada...yada. It just seems like alot of trouble to pull just a hoax.

In order to bend crop, all you need is something to bend it with.
People have been weaving for centuries and there's even a long history of weaving with wheat. Why would pushing some wheat over in an alternating pattern be beyond the scope of a person?

 

[Stray Cat]

??? No response

It's not a chat room Chuck... I have other threads to read and catch up with and other stuff I'm doing too.

 

[tsig]

If I say I'm not sure if it's manmade, and you say it is. Somebody has got to proove why other than the handy guide provided in the circlemakers for 5.99. Do I need to repost the review of that book in it's entirety? Show me where in that book it teaches you how to weave the crops like this.


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=650&pictureid=4282


If its manmade, they got more resources than boards ,surveyors tape, night vision goggles.....yada..yada...yada. It just seems like alot of trouble to pull just a hoax.

All you need to draw a circle is a pencil and a piece of string.

 

[chuck4842]

It's not a chat room Chuck... I have other threads to read and catch up with and other stuff I'm doing too.

Sorry to see you go astray. Meanwhile, let me respond to my last post. Did y'all know there is scientific evidence of a correlation between the last crop circle I posted and a song previously writ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPWNsGFXCZk

 

[tsig]

I think tsig was using sarcasm.

Yes, must have used the wrong tone of voice.

 

[Angel Love]

I think tsig was using sarcasm.

Ok so where did chuck4842 get that idea from?

Thanks Angel, the first link is a 44 minute video, which really brought up the red skeptic flag. I mean how can a complex crop circle made by humans be made in 45 minutes of uninterrupted video

 

[carlitos]

The credulous guy can't correctly use "its" in a sentence? I'm shocked. This is a first.

 

[Lucian]

The credulous guy can't correctly use "its" in a sentence? I'm shocked. This is a first.

To be fair, many skeptics (and humans generally) have problems with its/it's.

 

[JohnG]

its true!

 

[Akhenaten]

Ok so where did chuck4842 get that idea from?

Here's a hint:

My evidence of a Fox 8 news report video that showed a scientist walking into a crop circle holding up the dried like heated up nodes to the camera, and the formation lined east west exactly. Not with the trim lines, the formation was oblivious to any known references, of the landscape. That evidence., was rejected, declared hoax, because my simpleton self couldn't produce the paper trail.

and another:

Oh I see your point now. A mundane description of an article. I've got alot of those I'd like to submit as scientific evidence if everyone here deem it acceptable incontrovertible evidence. Did you not see the huge blank page? Wouldn't that be proof of an invisible formation? Can man do that? I may not be familiar with the site. Is it a site that declares proof there was an article titled that? Does a title, proove there was bent elongated notes , with heat evidence similar to crop circles declared genuine phenomena?

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, eh chuck?

 

[Akhenaten]

Secondary source for verifying the reality of this circle.

The International Crop Circle Database was run for years by the late Paul Vigay. While we disagreed on many things cropcircle, you could not criticise his integrity regarding collation of circle sightings.

http://ccdb.cropcircleresearch.com/info.cgi?d=uk2005ak
Description

A sequence of 'Olympic' rings, commissioned by The Sun newspaper and featured on the front cover of 10th June edition

I click and see the title but nothing else.

What you see, chuck, is a description of the formation. That's why it appears immediately after the word 'description', which you have apparently decided to read as 'title'.

For another hint, try re-reading EHocking's post which you quoted and to which you gave the appearance of responding. Note particularly the word 'Description'.

??? No response....ok I guess it's back to the oblivious, non-comprehension, no fair typical practice.

I guess so too.

 

[EHocking]

Oh I see your point now. A mundane description of an article. I've got alot of those I'd like to submit as scientific evidence if everyone here deem it acceptable incontrovertible evidence. Did you not see the huge blank page? Wouldn't that be proof of an invisible formation? Can man do that? I may not be familiar with the site.

Then it may be worth your while to familiarise yourself before you attempt to debunk the veracity of its content.

Is it a site that declares proof there was an article titled that? Does a title, proove there was bent elongated notes , with heat evidence similar to crop circles declared genuine phenomena?

You merely asked for corroboration on this particular crop circle. I gave it.

Again, familiarise yourself with Paul's work before you criticise it.
I had indicated in my post with the link to his site that he and I had totally different views on the cause of crop circles, but his dedication to collating cropcircle sightings could not be criticised.

The reason there is not a photo on his site or Lucy Pringle's is that they knew this was a man made, commissioned crop circle so not of interest to them. They are only interested in "genuine" crop circles.

 

[chuck4842]

ok, got it now. I checked it out and all that. Y'all really didn't have to do all that, I was trying to express my frustration of having to present proof thru the net. But since I seem to keep believing in something paranormal, and seeing my dream of getting beamed up by Scotty disappearing slowly. Than you're right , it's me that should do the work. I really appreciate the truthful information I 've found thru Stray Cat and the rest.

 

[JohnG]

ok, got it now. I checked it out and all that. Y'all really didn't have to do all that, I was trying to express my frustration of having to present proof thru the net. But since I seem to keep believing in something paranormal, and seeing my dream of getting beamed up by Scotty disappearing slowly. Than you're right , it's me that should do the work. I really appreciate the truthful information I 've found thru Stray Cat and the rest.

For what it's worth, I'd like to get "beamed up by Scotty"*, too, I really would. It's just that I think it's a far less likely a possibility than you currently do, so I've adjusted my expectations accordingly.




*As I'm typing this, I'm listening to iTunes (set to random) and out of literally hundreds upon hundreds of songs the theme to Star Trek II came on. I'm not kidding. Hell, I'm one of those sad cases who hasn't traded in his beaten up flip phone for something newer and fancier because I secretly like the fact that it resembles a communicator

 

[dlorde]

... It just seems like alot of trouble to pull just a hoax.

The people who make the good ones take a lot of trouble because to them it's art. They love the idea that people find them amazing and mysterious, they love that people have spiritual experiences in the circles. What more could an artist ask for than to have such responses to their work?

They're secretive because it's illegal, but they admit to making the circles, and they're happy to demonstrate it, because they've realised that it doesn't make any difference - people still see it as wonderful art, or get off on fantasising that it's made by aliens, or earth spirits, or collective psychic energy, etc.

The resilience of man's belief in the paranormal in the face of all the evidence is a great unexplained mystery of our time...

 

[chuck4842]

The people who make the good ones take a lot of trouble because to them it's art. They love the idea that people find them amazing and mysterious, they love that people have spiritual experiences in the circles. What more could an artist ask for than to have such responses to their work?

They're secretive because it's illegal, but they admit to making the circles, and they're happy to demonstrate it, because they've realised that it doesn't make any difference - people still see it as wonderful art, or get off on fantasising that it's made by aliens, or earth spirits, or collective psychic energy, etc.

The resilience of man's belief in the paranormal in the face of all the evidence is a great unexplained mystery of our time...

It's still an amazing subject when you do realize that people are hustling people, including government involvement, and the makers unique selfpromoting, by making BOL claims, "dark figures", and the like. I'd still like to go see one, but I'd probably pay more attention to the people around me.