Crop circle debunking help needed

[chuck4842]

Everyone worries about the Costa Rica, but what can you do?

At least don't do what the hoaxsters are doing. A practical joke is one thing, but this goes beyond that. Hold'em accountable when caught, and make a farmer who allows it to donate a portion of his harvest to the hungry, I can think of alot of things we can do. Your dreaming is a bit limited.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

The makers are selling instructional books, a book on the site that says they were offered money from intelligence agents , they say the book is part fiction , but hell, it's only 5 euros, I might could spring it if I didn't despise them.

I'm unsure of what you mean by "the site", or this part-fiction book but it seems to me that it's clearly labelled as part-fiction.

It's hard to see the truth of all what's happening here.

No it's not. Crop circles are man-made.

In a review of the book , the author claims intelligence agents were even claiming something paranormal was involved.

It's usually best to judge the contents of a book only after actually having read the contents of the book.

I'll decide who and why I dislike somebody using my own judgement, because one things for sure. Both are guilty of muddying the water.

How are crop circle makers "muddying the water"? By having written one piece of fiction that you've not even read?

 

[Stray Cat]

Chuck. As the crop circle industry in Wiltshire brings thousands of pounds in tourism into the local economy, I don't think you can say it's all bad. That some circlemakers make a small amount of money out of it by telling the truth, pales into insignificance when considering the larger amount made out of lies by the researchers, in lecture appearance fees, books, posters, mugs, DVDs and conferences. But at the end of the day, Wiltshire tourism benefits from the relationship, lots of people enjoy the artworks (for their own reasons) and really no one is going hungry as a result of less than .05% of Wiltshire's wheat being flattened (but still harvestable).

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Hold'em accountable when caught[..]

What makes you think that crop circle makers wouldn't be held accountable if they were caught? Why do you think they avoid coming forwards, citing fear of prosecution?

[...]make a farmer who allows it to donate a portion of his harvest to the hungry[...]

I'm unsure of what you mean here. Nobody is preventing farmers from giving their crop away. It's just that farmers farm because that's how they make their living, so they'd prefer to sell their crop. And give it away how, to which hungry people? People in places like Africa, you mean? How would they get it there? Who would pay for that? Who would pay to have the wheat turned in to something edible?

And what's that got to do with crop circles?

 

[chuck4842]

Though it was the 'alien script' that was added on the third night of construction that was the readable part

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This formation is soooo cool. I wouldn't care if a hundred people died of starvation because of it.

 

[Stray Cat]

Well the Aliens that made it look like they need feeding up a bit.

 

[Akhenaten]

That's true. I mean, why does a chicken need a shadow? What purpose does it serve? Why not a chicken without one?

How embarrassment. Technical difficulties. It's actually an enhanced night-vision picture. Alien chickens are self-illuminating.

Yeah, that's it.

It wasn't long ago the cost of rice had the french in a panic.

Everyone worries about the Costa Rica, but what can you do?

At least don't do what the hoaxsters are doing. A practical joke is one thing, but this goes beyond that. Hold'em accountable when caught, and make a farmer who allows it to donate a portion of his harvest to the hungry, I can think of alot of things we can do. Your dreaming is a bit limited.

I think you might be missing something, chuck.

 

[Frying Dutchmen]

This formation is soooo cool. I wouldn't care if a hundred people died of starvation because of it.

You are such a cry baby, no one died of starvation due to the creation of a crop circle.

 

[23_Tauri]

The makers are selling instructional books, a book on the site that says they were offered money from intelligence agents , they say the book is part fiction , but hell, it's only 5 euros, I might could spring it if I didn't despise them. It's hard to see the truth of all what's happening here. In a review of the book , the author claims intelligence agents were even claiming something paranormal was involved.

chucky-boy, I don't know what book you're referring to, but I can think of one book written by circle-makers, The Field Guide, written by Rob Irving and co., back in the 90s. I'm sure there are a handful of others, but is this comparable to the ocean - nay, tsnuami - of crap each year from promotors of the non-human entity for crop circles theory? I don't think you are referring to The Field Guide though, because I don't re-call Irving writing about MI5....

Clearly you've not been to Wiltshire in the summer and witnessed the conferences with side rooms full of stalls of trinkets and books, or the local croppie cafe with its artworks, jewellery, blah di blah. But you don't need to in order to know how much of it is out there, as google is your friend.

I gotta share one of my faves, though. Crop circle essences , that "re-activate especially sacred sites thereby opening the collective unconscions, raising group vibrations and accelerating the self healing and balancing properties of Mother Earth"

Cool! I'll take fifty!

I'll decide who and why I dislike somebody using my own judgement, because one things for sure. Both are guilty of muddying the water.

I hope you do and I'm quite sure you're capable of doing so. That you've come here asking questions suggests to me that you're in the process of doing just that, so hat's off to you.

But I can't agree that both are guilty of muddying the water. Make crop circle, keep trap shut. What lies are being spread in this scenario?

 

[23_Tauri]

This formation is soooo cool. I wouldn't care if a hundred people died of starvation because of it.

Oh well that's ok then. One moment you're whingeing that Africans are dying because someone's flattened some wheat in Wiltshire (which is patently absurd) and the next minute you're saying that starving children is ok if you get a cheap laugh. Nice.

Be that as it may, your continued insistence that crop circle making leads to shortage of grain in countries where it's needed to prevent malnutrition is a nonsense. Most of UK wheat exports goes into animal feed in the Mediterranean countries, that used in this country goes to make bread, cakes, biscuits, breakfast cereals for the likes of me and my fellow countrymen.

UK Agriculture - Principles of Grain Markets

But as you've been told several times already, flattening wheat doesn't kill the crop or make it un-harvestable. Go into the field once the crop been harvested and you will see for yourself.

 

[chuck4842]

chucky-boy, I don't know what book you're referring to, but I can think of one book written by circle-makers, The Field Guide, written by Rob Irving and co., back in the 90s.

The book is titled "Mirage Men: A Journey into Disinformation, Paranoia and UFOs: The Weird Truth Behind UFOs" by Mark Pilkington .

on there site here http://www.circlemakers.org/new_documents.html

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

The book is titled "Mirage Men: A Journey into Disinformation, Paranoia and UFOs: The Weird Truth Behind UFOs" by Mark Pilkington .

Okay, perhaps you could link to where it's described as part-fiction, and where it says that it claims that intelligence agents offer circle makers money? The descriptions of it I've read say that two people, one of whom is a circle maker, travel to the US in order to investigate UFOs and in the process talk to intelligence agents.

 

[zooterkin]

I gotta share one of my faves, though. Crop circle essences , that "re-activate especially sacred sites thereby opening the collective unconscions, raising group vibrations and accelerating the self healing and balancing properties of Mother Earth"

I fancy a bit of 115, Avebury:

This formation reminds us of the sacredness of sexuality and of the giving of life. It works at the level of the consciousness of the cell to remind us of the creation of life and of the holiness.D N A. It stimulates the second chakra, the sexual organs and it helps the processes of conception and pregnancy.

(Well, all except the last bit, I've done all the breeding I plan to.)

 

[23_Tauri]

The book is titled "Mirage Men: A Journey into Disinformation, Paranoia and UFOs: The Weird Truth Behind UFOs" by Mark Pilkington .

on there site here http://www.circlemakers.org/new_documents.html

Sceptic Tank's right, Mirage Men is not a book about crop circles. That it is written by a man who is involved in making commissioned circles for corporate advertising, tv programmes and the like, seems irrelevant to the current discussion, which is centred on people making money out of 'the crop circle mystery'.

 

[chuck4842]

Sceptic Tank's right, Mirage Men is not a book about crop circles. That it is written by a man who is involved in making commissioned circles for corporate advertising, tv programmes and the like, seems irrelevant to the current discussion, which is centred on people making money out of 'the crop circle mystery'.

Dang you're right. My bad. Looks like the circle makers respect the amount of space on their site more than their country. Because they're promoting a honest hardworking guy with a day job.

 

[23_Tauri]

Dang you're right. My bad. Looks like the circle makers respect the amount of space on their site more than their country. Because they're promoting a honest hardworking guy with a day job.

Eh? Forgive me if I'm having a blonde moment but who and what are you on about, chuckster?

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Looks like the circle makers respect the amount of space on their site more than their country.

I'm honestly unsure as to what this is supposed to mean.

 

[chuck4842]

I'm honestly unsure as to what this is supposed to mean.

The whole reason I joined JREF was because of JR's disgust of hoaxsters.

 

[Frying Dutchmen]

The whole reason I joined JREF was because of JR's disgust of hoaxsters.

Why are circle makers Hoaxers? For something to be a hoax Chuck, there needs to be a genuine article.

 

[chuck4842]

I'm honestly unsure as to what this is supposed to mean.

Circlemakers destroying crops at night when nobodys looking for free(the farmers I'm sure object), then selling books on their site (with a limit of space depending the host) which aint free , and the one book other than their own is focussed on the experiences of disinformation and ufo's. What are the circlemakers? Their own publicity agents now?

I really think the crap boil is obvious enough for the average brainholding citizen reader such as me. I'm not taking personal sides no more, from now on , all I've got is my own instincts.