Calls for a Cease Fire Are a Ploy

Not if you're one of the 12-15 people hit by them it doesn't. It's pure luck that more people haven't been killed.

There's no such thing as luck. The reason more people haven't been killed by these so called "rockets" is because they are highly ineffective.

Hezbollah's arsenal poses more of a psychological threat than a strategic danger to the Jewish state, weapons analysts say. The relatively crude weapons are notoriously inaccurate but are sowing fear and panic across Israel's northern frontier and sending citizens as far south as Haifa and Tiberias into bomb shelters or fleeing to the central part of the country.

http://www.boston.com/news/world/mi...6/07/18/hezbollah_arsenal_may_be_substantial/

So what? Are you suggesting that WWII era weapons are somehow not dangerous?


I'm suggesting that their use against a modern army such as that of Israel's is so miniscule that it isn't even worth mentioning.
 
. . . and Ed knows weapons in WWII were incapable of killing anyone.


Are any of your posts in this thread actually for real? Is this a send-up?


Maybe you need to learn about Modern military warfare. Then you might realize crude WWII missiles against a modern military pose no real threat at all. Of course they kill people. But the damage is so tiny it's not even worth mentioning compaired to that of a modern militaries. As is evident from the fact ONLY ABOUT 12 PEOPLE HAVE DIED FROM HUNDREDS OF MISSILES!


Are my posts real? Is YOURS? Insinuating that crude ww2 missiles actually pose a real threat against a modern military?


That's a joke right? It's so stupid it must be a joke!
 
There's no such thing as luck. The reason more people haven't been killed by these so called "rockets" is because they are highly ineffective.



http://www.boston.com/news/world/mi...6/07/18/hezbollah_arsenal_may_be_substantial/




I'm suggesting that their use against a modern army such as that of Israel's is so miniscule that it isn't even worth mentioning.

The rockets aren't being fired at Israel's army, but at Israeli cities and towns. And the reason so few people have been killed is beacuse many of the rockets happen to fall in empty lots and open fields.
 
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I'm suggesting that their use against a modern army such as that of Israel's is so miniscule that it isn't even worth mentioning.

Perhaps they aren't very effective against the Israeli army however they have been proved to be effective at killing innocent Israeli citizens.
 
Perhaps they aren't very effective against the Israeli army however they have been proved to be effective at killing innocent Israeli citizens.



What's your definition of effective?


HUNDREDS of missiles only killing about 12 people? THAT is your definition of effective?!?!?
 
The rockets aren't being fired at Israel's army, but at Israeli cities and towns. And the reason so few people have been killed is beacuse many of the rockets happen to fall in empty lots and open fields.



The Rockets aren't being fired at the Israeli army because they have no real strategic effect. Their effect is mostly psychological due to their screeching sound as they fly through the air.

They are hitting fields and empty lots because they are EXTREMLY ineffective at aiming and controling. Proof they pose no real threat to israel. Nothing that warrents the retaliation isreal is commiting to.

Hezbollah's arsenal poses more of a psychological threat than a strategic danger to the Jewish state, weapons analysts say. The relatively crude weapons are notoriously inaccurate but are sowing fear and panic across Israel's northern frontier and sending citizens as far south as Haifa and Tiberias into bomb shelters or fleeing to the central part of the country.

http://www.boston.com/news/world/mi...6/07/18/hezbollah_arsenal_may_be_substantial/
 
Can I kick you in the nuts if I promise not to do it very hard? I'm a 130 pound thin fat person with no martial training so it probably won't hurt very much.
 
My probelm is people calling a missile that takes hundreds of shots to kill 12 people "effective".

Actually, all it takes is one shot, but Israel has been fortunate. Did you know that many of the missiles are loaded with ball bearings to cause even greater damage to human flesh?

But all of your arguments are invalid. Israel is exercising its right to defend itself vigorously, not only to stop the current round of Hezbullah terrorism, but to destroy its ability to fight and to deter any future kidnappings. Apparently the days of kidnap-then-trade-for-prisoners are over.

And the longer this goes on, the better Israel's position when cease-fire talks eventually take place.
 
What's your definition of effective?


HUNDREDS of missiles only killing about 12 people? THAT is your definition of effective?!?!?

The rockets are meant to be killing innocent Israelis, the rockets are killing innocent Israelis so yes I'd say they are bing effective at what they are trying to do.
 
My probelm is people calling a missile that takes hundreds of shots to kill 12 people "effective".
The Katyusha rocket had totally destroyed a three-storey block of flats. The building had completely collapsed in on itself.
Cars were crushed in the street by falling masonry, and several neighbouring buildings were damaged.
Sounds quite effective to me. Nobody was killed due to

residents and neighbours managing to escape just in time to bomb shelters.


If the Israeli early-warning system was not up to the job, what do you suppose would have happened to the people in the flats?


Source.

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The Rockets aren't being fired at the Israeli army because they have no real strategic effect. Their effect is mostly psychological due to their screeching sound as they fly through the air.

They are hitting fields and empty lots because they are EXTREMLY ineffective at aiming and controling. Proof they pose no real threat to israel. Nothing that warrents the retaliation isreal is commiting to.



http://www.boston.com/news/world/mi...6/07/18/hezbollah_arsenal_may_be_substantial/

So you are saying that Hezbollah are using the exact same tactics that you claim the Israelis are using.

Can you clear something up that may help productive discussion? I assume that you equally condemn Hezbollah for using these tactics?
 
This is simply conspiracy theory rhetoric that doesn't even deserve a response to.

Dude, read some history, specifically about Israel's armed conflicts.

Let me give you a little primer.

In late 1947/early 1948 there was civil war in and around Jerusalem between Arabs and Jews. On May 14, 1948, the Jews declared they had established the State of Israel.

1948 Arab-Israeli War. Immediately, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and Iraq joined forces and attacked Israel from the north, the east, and the west. They wanted Jerusalem back, and they opposed the formation of a Jewish state. They still prefer for there not to be a Jewish state, but the Arab nations lost that war. As a result, about 700,000 Arabs were driven out of what is now Israel. Many of the Arab states are still angry and bitter about that.

In the meantime, Israel's population mushroomed due to Jewish immigration from Holocaust survivors in Europe, some American Jews, and from Jews living in Arab nations. Israel prospered and developed into a Western style nation, albeit with its own distinctive culture.

The Six Day War: May 1967. Syria, Eqypt, and Jordan had seen mounting tensions with Israel and had hinted they were on the verge of declaring war on it. Much of the tension was over the Sinai Penninsula and the Gaza Strip. Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli ships, provoking Israel to declare war on Egypt to reopen it. Israel fought Egypt, Syria, and Jordan for six days and defeated their armies and destroyed their air forces. A victorious Israel claimed for itself the West Bank, the Sinai Penninsula, The Gaza Strip, and the Golan Heights. To the victor go the spoils.

The War of Attrition: 1968-1972. Numerous skirmishes were fought along Israel's borders with Egypt and Lebanon.

1972. This is when Palestinian terrorist groups began their numerous campaigns to terrorize Israel. A group of Palestinians massacred several members of the Israeli delegation to the 1972 Olympic Games in Munich. In response, Israel's Mossad eventually hunted down those responsible and killed most of them.

October 1973. Egypt and Syria launched unprovoked surprise attacks on Israel to try to regain territory lost in the Six Day War. They were unsuccessful.

Throughout the 1970s and 1980s, they were numerous instances of Palestinian terrorists hijacking airplanes all over the world and making demands about Israel and its treatment of Palestinians living there.

There have been some smaller armed conflicts between Israel and its neighbors since then, most of them arising from the beating Arabs took in the Six Day War. They're still smarting over it.

Terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah have formed specifically to destory Israel and to establish a Pan Islamic Middle Eastern state.

Israel has fought pre-emptive strikes against neighbors Iraq and Lebanon. Iraq also launched several Scud missiles into Israel during the first Gulf War, but Israel did not retaliate.

It is hardly conspiracy theory rhetoric to conclude that many Arabs, and extremist groups in particular, would prefer that Israel not exist. Some have dedicated their lives to trying to make that happen. Israel is well aware of this, and knows that it must be forever vigilant, or possibly suffer its own destruction.

Watch some CNN. I'm not saying anything that they aren't saying.

I will however point out that most of the Arab nations are against the attacks on Israel by Hezbollah. No one wants this fighting to continue except for Israel.

I don't dispute this as a broad, general statement. It does not speak to my points, however.

AS
 
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I'm leaving these discussions because I just cannot trust myself when I know that I am discussing real people being brutally killed and injured as I type, they are not fictional characters from a war game.

My sympathy to all of you who are close to these terrible events, I truly hope you and your loved ones and everyone else remain safe and that the violence ends.
 
I'm leaving these discussions because I just cannot trust myself when I know that I am discussing real people being brutally killed and injured as I type, they are not fictional characters from a war game.

My sympathy to all of you who are close to these terrible events, I truly hope you and your loved ones and everyone else remain safe and that the violence ends.

Darat,

Please do not think for a moment that any of us interested in this or discussing it are in favor of killing people. Everyone knows real people are involved and that war is hell. Nevertheless, it is a fact of life, and someone has to discuss strategy and plans for vanquishing one's enemies. Thank Ed that Winston Churchill understood that.

On a bigger scale, resolve and a stiff upper lip are called for here more than compassion. Compassion has its place, but not on the battlefield. A military commander's mission is to win. Israel's IDF is very much aware, however, that it must avoid civilian casualties as much as possible for fear of negative political consequences, but frankly, it is more interested in its long term survival. It simply must demonstrate to its bigger enemies that it has the nerve and capability of defeating them, and it is also disarming one of the biggest thorns in its side, and hoping to deter others from attacking it.

AS
 
Ha! That had Saddam sinking the US fleet in the Persian Gulf using warships disguised as civilian vessels.

I'd argue Iran more likely.

Granted, Hezbollah could maybe manage to sink a vessel in port but I doubt they could in the open sea. It would be hard to claim Israel did it if it happened in port in front of thousands of witnesses though.

I can't see Hezbollah giving credit to israel for that kind of thing.
 
And that is a good thing?

Well I don't own anything in that area. It would give Hezbollah something to worry about that they probably hadn't calculated for.
 
As long as they don't have "ISRAELI NEWS" OR "JEWISH NEWS" posted on them.

As opposed to those paragons of objective reporting like Hizbullah TV, Syrian state television, Iranian broadcasting corporation, Al Jazeera...
 

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