Calls for a Cease Fire Are a Ploy

Dustin said:
Isreal has yet to hit a single Hezbollah military target.
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There was some F16-Cam footage of a Hezbollah missile battery baby food factory firing a wave of rockets carnations immediately before the F16's bomb arrived.

Does that not count as a military target? unwarranted Israeli aggression?
 
richardm said:
There was some F16-Cam footage of a Hezbollah missile battery baby food factory firing a wave of rockets carnations immediately before the F16's bomb arrived.

Does that not count as a military target? unwarranted Israeli aggression?
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If you're trying to say something then be clear and provide sources.
 
Dustin said:
What exactly is Isreal winning? Winning by destroying innocent lebanese civlians? As was mentioned already, Isreal has yet to hit a single Hezbollah military target. All they are destroying are lebanese civlians.
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Israel is winning ground. That's what armies do. As of a few minutes ago, CNN confirmed reports that Israeli ground troops have moved into southern Lebanon. Israel is creating its buffer zone, just as it has been saying it would for a week. It knows that most of Hezbollah's short and medium range rockets are in a relatively small triangle in the southwest. They are hitting it hard.

Ultimately, it is after the longer range rockets, which Israel believes are stockpiled in the north. We will see attacks there as well.

Furthermore, Israel is winning by weakening Hezbollah's ability to fight, which is their goal. It is creating chaos and disorder in Hezbollah's area of operation. Put enough fog of war in your enemy's position, and it turns tail and runs, or dies where it sits as sitting ducks.

There is no such thing as a pure military target of Hezbollah. It is not a traditional army. It is a well organized militia. It operates out of residences and office buildings. That's where those missiles are stored. That's why Israel is destroying "civilian" targets. They are hardly innocent.

BG Hirsh, commander of the northern Israeli armed forces, confirmed that Israel is fighting for its life. He said they "must win." As I said last Friday, Israel is fighting to the death. This is bigger strategically that defeating Hezbollah. It is reminding Israel's neighboring enemies that it is fully capable of fighting hard, persevering, and winning. Also, it wants them to understand that it will never give up.

AS
 
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AmateurScientist said:
Israel is winning ground. That's what armies do. As of a few minutes ago, CNN confirmed reports that Israeli ground troops have moved into southern Lebanon. Israel is creating its buffer zone, just as it has been saying it would for a week. It knows that most of Hezbollah's short and medium range rockets are in a relatively small triangle in the southwest. They are hitting it hard.

Ultimately, it is after the longer range rockets, which Israel believes are stockpiled in the north. We will see attacks there as well.

Furthermore, Israel is winning by weakening Hezbollah's ability to fight, which is their goal. It is creating chaos and disorder in Hezbollah's area of operation. Put enough fog of war in your enemy's position, and it turns tail and runs, or dies where it sits as sitting ducks.

There is no such thing as a pure military target of Hezbollah. It is not a traditional army. It is a well organized militia. It operates out of residences and office buildings. That's where those missiles are stored. That's why Israel is destroying "civilian" targets. They are hardly innocent.

BG Hirsh, commander of the northern Israeli armed forces, confirmed that Israel is fighting for its life. He said they "must win." As I said last Friday, Israel is fighting to the death. This is bigger strategically that defeating Hezbollah. It is reminding Israel's neighboring enemies that it is fully capable of fighting hard, persevering, and winning. Also, it wants them to understand that it will never give up.

AS
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This must be a joke. Hezbollah has simple bottle rockets and Israel has an advanced military and a strong standing army. Do you actually believe israel is "fighting for it's life"? You are extremly delusional if you believe such a thing. Israel isn't attacking Hezbollah. Israel is firing indiscriminately into populated areas of Lebanon hoping to kill as many civilians as possible to create chaos. This has nothing to do with "fighting for it's life"! Haha!
 
Dustin said:
If you're trying to say something then be clear and provide sources.
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Sure. I'm saying that you are incorrect when you say
Isreal has yet to hit a single Hezbollah military target.
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Source. The sequence in question starts about 40 seconds in.

The clip begins with the result of some of Hezbollah's rocketry efforts on a not-especially-military building.
 
richardm said:
Sure. I'm saying that you are incorrect when you say

Source. The sequence in question starts about 40 seconds in.

The clip begins with the result of some of Hezbollah's rocketry efforts on a not-especially-military building.
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I run on 56k and can't view videos. Please provide a text based source. If this is indeed true then there must be dozens.
 
Dustin said:
Hezbollah has simple bottle rockets
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Hezbollah has rockets that are simple but this does not mean they are not perfectly suited to their job of killing people.

Source.

For evidence that they kill people, see the video I linked you to earlier.

It's not to say that Israel is causing more damage in Lebanon, because they are. But they have got tired of the constant sniping and I can't really say I blame them.
 
richardm said:
Hezbollah has rockets that are simple but this does not mean they are not perfectly suited to their job of killing people.

Source.

For evidence that they kill people, see the video I linked you to earlier.

It's not to say that Israel is causing more damage in Lebanon, because they are. But they have got tired of the constant sniping and I can't really say I blame them.
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I'm sure they kill people..But look at them! They are about the size of your leg! Compaire them to the weapons that are being used by the israeli army against the Lebanese Civilians!
 
Dustin said:
This must be a joke. Hezbollah has simple bottle rockets and Israel has an advanced military and a strong standing army. Do you actually believe israel is "fighting for it's life"? You are extremly delusional if you believe such a thing. Israel isn't attacking Hezbollah. Israel is firing indiscriminately into populated areas of Lebanon hoping to kill as many civilians as possible to create chaos. This has nothing to do with "fighting for it's life"! Haha!
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You don't get it, do you?

Hezbollah is merely cannon fodder for Iran. These rocket attacks are merely a prelude, a probe if you will, to a much bigger strategic plan to destroy Israel.

These rocket attacks themselves do not threaten Israel's survival. Israel's survival has been threatened since the very day (literally) it declared itself a sovereign nation in 1948. It was immediately attacked by several of its Arab Muslim neighbors. It has been attacked repeatedly, in numerous notable armed conflicts since then, yet it has survived.

Each time it was fighting for its life. It is literally surrounded by enemies who would prefer to see it destroyed, some more than others. Although Iran does not share a border with Israel, Iran is a hotbed of radical shi'ite Muslim ideology. It is where the radical shi'ites look to for guidance and support.

Israel is fighting Iran by proxy in this conflict. Yes, it is fighting for its life when you use a longer timeline than however long it will take for Hezbollah to be run out of Lebanon or disarmed.

My remarks were entirely serious, and accurate. You don't seem to understand the dynamics of the region, or why Israel is so serious about defense.

AS
 
Dustin said:
I run on 56k and can't view videos. Please provide a text based source. If this is indeed true then there must be dozens.
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I can find plenty of text-based sources, but will you believe any of them?
 
AmateurScientist said:
You don't get it, do you?

Hezbollah is merely cannon fodder for Iran. These rocket attacks are merely a prelude, a probe if you will, to a much bigger strategic plan to destroy Israel.

These rocket attacks themselves do not threaten Israel's survival. Israel's survival has been threatened since the very day (literally) it declared itself a sovereign nation in 1948. It was immediately attacked by several of its Arab Muslim neighbors. It has been attacked repeatedly, in numerous notable armed conflicts since then, yet it has survived.

Each time it was fighting for its life. It is literally surrounded by enemies who would prefer to see it destroyed, some more than others. Although Iran does not share a border with Israel, Iran is a hotbed of radical shi'ite Muslim ideology. It is where the radical shi'ites look to for guidance and support.

Israel is fighting Iran by proxy in this conflict. Yes, it is fighting for its life when you use a longer timeline than however long it will take for Hezbollah to be run out of Lebanon or disarmed.

My remarks were entirely serious, and accurate. You don't seem to understand the dynamics of the region, or why Israel is so serious about defense.

AS
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This is simply conspiracy theory rhetoric that doesn't even deserve a response to.

I will however point out that most of the Arab nations are against the attacks on Israel by Hezbollah. No one wants this fighting to continue except for Israel.
 
Dustin said:
I'm sure they kill people..But look at them! They are about the size of your leg! Compaire them to the weapons that are being used by the israeli army against the Lebanese Civilians!
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What difference does their size make if you're on the receiving end?

These are not crappy little home-made rockets.
 
richardm said:
What difference does their size make if you're on the receiving end?

These are not crappy little home-made rockets.
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The size makes a huge difference. As is evident from the fact that these pint sized missles have only killed about 12-15 Israeli's while the rockets and bombs Israel is using have killed over 260 Lebanese civilians.




The bottle rockets Hezbollah is using are crude WWII rockets from the Russian military for gods sake!
 
Dustin said:
As long as they don't have "ISRAELI NEWS" OR "JEWISH NEWS" posted on them.


How about Cnn? NBC? ABC? AP?
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Edit: Okay, okay... How about the New York Times? Remember that the video was just one launch site out of dozens, so that particular incident is unlikely to be singled out.

Airstrikes, the most intense over Lebanon since the 1982 war, have been carried out against Hezbollah rocket and ammunition stores, launching sites, barracks and buildings.
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Dustin said:
The size makes a huge difference.
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Not if you're one of the 12-15 people hit by them it doesn't. It's pure luck that more people haven't been killed.

The bottle rockets Hezbollah is using are crude WWII rockets from the Russian military for gods sake!
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So what? Are you suggesting that WWII era weapons are somehow not dangerous?
 
richardm said:
Edit: Okay, okay... How about the New York Times? Remember that the video was just one launch site out of dozens, so that particular incident is unlikely to be singled out.
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This is a small % of the offense against Lebanon. This simply says airstrikes have been "carried out" against Hezbollah rocket stores and ammunition sites. It doesn't say what was destoried or how much has been carried out.
 
Dustin said:
The bottle rockets Hezbollah is using are crude WWII rockets from the Russian military for gods sake!
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. . . and Ed knows weapons in WWII were incapable of killing anyone.


Are any of your posts in this thread actually for real? Is this a send-up?
 
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