Calls for a Cease Fire Are a Ploy

webfusion said:
The Hezbollah are trying to stir the pot, and I wouldn't put it beyond them to perpetrate a bombing of a hotel, and then try to pin it on Israeli incoming.

According to the LA Times (Megan K. Stack reporting from Beirut) -- A ferry chartered by the French government carried about 800 of its citizens and several dozen Americans to Cyprus on Monday.
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We have reports of Hizbollah not letting their human shields go:

IDF: Hizbullah preventing civilians from leaving villages in southern Lebanon

The IDF has found that Hizbullah is preventing civilians from leaving villages in southern Lebanon. Roadblocks have been set up outside some of the villages to prevent residents from leaving, while in other villages Hizbullah is preventing UN representatives from entering, who are trying to help residents leave. In two villages, exchanges of fire between residents and Hizbullah have broken out. (Hanan Greenberg)
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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3278026,00.html
 
Dustin said:
What exactly is Isreal winning? Winning by destroying innocent lebanese civlians? As was mentioned already, Isreal has yet to hit a single Hezbollah military target. All they are destroying are lebanese civlians.

You should also remember Hezbollah is supported by Iran and Syria. If Hezbollah wanted they could make this situation alot worse than it currently is.
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Hezbollah are killing and terrorizing civilians with WWII soviet technology. It's basically carpet bombing with rockets. Hezbollah is singularly responsible for the deaths of Lebanese civilians by bringing return fire upon them. What country would stand still while another fires hundreds of rockets indiscriminately into their population? Israel isn't winning anything, they are trying to survive where a lot of their neighbors want them dead.

Iran and Syria are supported by Russia. This situation could get worse than you can imagine in a big hurry. Cold War ring any bells?
 
Dustin said:
By bringing their supporters (Iran,Syria) into the fight. Both of which have formidable military power.
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Syria? formidable?

hmmmmm, I think that cheapens the term formidable somewhat..
 
peptoabysmal said:
Hezbollah are killing and terrorizing civilians with WWII soviet technology. It's basically carpet bombing with rockets. Hezbollah is singularly responsible for the deaths of Lebanese civilians by bringing return fire upon them. What country would stand still while another fires hundreds of rockets indiscriminately into their population? Israel isn't winning anything, they are trying to survive where a lot of their neighbors want them dead.

Iran and Syria are supported by Russia. This situation could get worse than you can imagine in a big hurry. Cold War ring any bells?
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Hezbollah firing rockets into Isreal only occured after Israel attacked a Lebanese civilian target.

Don't paint this picture of Israel only being on the defensive. I don't call firing hoards of rockets into lebanese cities because 2 of their soldiers were kidnapped 'defensive". I call it completly out of hand.
 
The Fool said:
Syria? formidable?

hmmmmm, I think that cheapens the term formidable somewhat..
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When refering to the factions currently in this conflict right now..Syria and Iran are formidable. Israel's military is far from what we could consider 'formidable' so in relation to Lebanon and Israel...Syria and Iran could really turn the tides.


So far I don't think a single Hezbollah military target has been hit. Nothing but innocent lebanese civilians so far.

I have a feeling Hezbollah hasn't started using it's real power just yet.
 
Dustin said:
By bringing their supporters (Iran,Syria) into the fight. Both of which have formidable military power.
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This and your previous post to it implies Hezbollah could bring Syria and Iran into the war at will, which means Hezbollah directs the military of Syria and Iran. If anything the reverse is true.

Hezbollah can't bring Syria and Iran into the war. They could ask but it'd be nothing more than a request and it'd likely be denied since Syria and Iran know that openly joining the war against Israel would probably bring negative repercussions to their own countries.
 
Didn't Israel take out Al Manar TV? That was a Hezbollah target, no?
 
Dustin said:
So far I don't think a single Hezbollah military target has been hit. Nothing but innocent lebanese civilians so far.
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With all due respect, you have no idea how many Hezbollah military targets have been hit. Granted, dropping lots of bombs doesn't automatically mean Israel is hitting Hezbollah military targets. But saying they've hit none at this stage is silly because you simply don't know.
 
Dustin said:
By bringing their supporters (Iran,Syria) into the fight. Both of which have formidable military power.
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So you acknowledge that Hezbollah is associated with a country that calls for the destruction of Israel at least once per week?

I hope what you say actually happens, then Israel has an excuse to nuke Iran.
 
Dustin said:
When refering to the factions currently in this conflict right now..Syria and Iran are formidable. Israel's military is far from what we could consider 'formidable' so in relation to Lebanon and Israel...Syria and Iran could really turn the tides.


So far I don't think a single Hezbollah military target has been hit. Nothing but innocent lebanese civilians so far.

I have a feeling Hezbollah hasn't started using it's real power just yet.
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Nope....Syria is not militarily formidable in any context or in any rational use of the term. Terms such as "weak" are more appropriate..

Maybe if you compared them to the military might of the boyscouts of America?

Hezbolla tells no national government of the arab world what to do, you have the tail wagging the dog.

If Syria were to announce its armed forces were now fighting Israel then there would be much death and destruction...of Syrian troops. They would simply be a source of easier to identify targets...Seriously dude, look into the Syrian armed forces, there is not much to see.
 
Dustin said:
Hezbollah firing rockets into Isreal only occured after Israel attacked a Lebanese civilian target.

Don't paint this picture of Israel only being on the defensive. I don't call firing hoards of rockets into lebanese cities because 2 of their soldiers were kidnapped 'defensive". I call it completly out of hand.
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Man, you are the next best thing to Al Gore claiming global warming is true. :eye-poppi
 
Azure said:
So you acknowledge that Hezbollah is associated with a country that calls for the destruction of Israel at least once per week?

I hope what you say actually happens, then Israel has an excuse to nuke Iran.
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What is it with you and nukes? Do they make you feel aroused or something??
 
The Fool said:
What is it with you and nukes? Do they make you feel aroused or something??
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Come on, a couple of judiciously placed Nukes and there would be no Middle East crisis and two thirds of the Politics section of the forum would be rendered irrelevant over night.


Of course, there would be no Middle East.
 
Azure said:
So you acknowledge that Hezbollah is associated with a country that calls for the destruction of Israel at least once per week?

I hope what you say actually happens, then Israel has an excuse to nuke Iran.
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Are you aware of the consequences for the whole region of a nuclear attack? As for instance in the UK we are still having to test and even slaughter some animals because of the fall out from the Chernobyl meltdown.

Are you aware of the millions and millions of people who would potentially be effected by such an attack? Are you aware that one of Iran's neighbours is Pakistan - another nuclear power?

This article has a map showing predicted fallout from a nuclear attack on Iran - Pakistan and India are not going to be very pleased.
 
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Dustin said:
When refering to the factions currently in this conflict right now..Syria and Iran are formidable. Israel's military is far from what we could consider 'formidable' so in relation to Lebanon and Israel...Syria and Iran could really turn the tides.
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Hmm, yeah you've got a point there. I mean just look at the Sixth Day War where Syria obliterated the Isralie military in short order and occopied the strategically important and previously Isralie Golan Heights. Also it is after all a well known fact that Syria has nuclear weapons, while Israel has perhaps some half rotten chemical weapons. Also it's a well known fact that the Syrian Economy is much stronger and more modern than the Isralie, and their military spending is about 10 times larger.

On a related note, where do you buy that stuff you're on? Clearly what I use is tame in comparison.
 
Darat said:
Are you aware of the consequences for the whole region of a nuclear attack? As for instance in the UK we are still having to test and even slaughter some animals because of the fall out from the Chernobyl meltdown.

Are you aware of the millions and millions of people who would potentially be effected by such an attack? Are you aware that one of Iran's neighbours is Pakistan - another nuclear power?

This article has a map showing predicted fallout from a nuclear attack on Iran - Pakistan and India are not going to be very pleased.
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Darat, I think you forgot to post the link to the article.
 
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