Another staged attack on a teabagger whacko?

[AlBell]

Numerous posts (including one of my own) moved to AAH for bickering, off-topic, ad hom, and general incivility. Calm it down folks and address the issue and not the other posters.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Tricky

You appear to have missed a few that belong in AAH.

 

[Rogue1stclass]

As far as I can see, Tabor made physical contact with Spencer first. Tabor is a known nutbar. The grounds to fear for your safety are there.

Yeah, this case sounds like a clear cut case of simple assault on both sides. It was a provacative situation that lead to a rather ineffectual scuffle. However, I was addressing you as a gun owner. Simple assault is almost never a justification for deadly force, which is what producing a handgun is.

As I stated above, it does appear that Tabor bought it because he had to have been in contact with Spencer to get the camera in his face at that angle.

Being in the way and incidental touching generally does not justify the use of force. As long as you can go around or even push past (without reasonably putting yourself in greater danger), you are obligated to do so. If you don't, well, you will probably face charges when the cops come to sort it out.

That's why I would never go mano-a-mano with teatrash. My left arm doesn't work that well for defense anyway. Artifical shoulder joint and all that.

All the more reason to avoid such confrontations.

You mean not counter-protest against these modern-day Sturmabteilung wannabes? Aint gonna happen. Those of us who are not raving lunatics have the right to speak out against the slime, and the right to defend ourselves if they try to harm somebody. Bear in mind that these trash-talking idiots actually go so far as to advocate overthrowing the government if they do not get their way. Just this morning, I heard a sound bite of the Republican whackadoodle going up against Reid say that the 2nd Ammendment might be one of two remedies for the "Harry Reid problem." Maybe idiots like her need to be reminded that lefties pack, too. Part of the reason for there being a 2nd Ammendment is so that we don't have to allow these nutbars to own the sidewalks.

No. Just no.

You have elected to take up the responsibility to respond to deadly force with deadly force. Bare no illusions, it is a responsibility, and an extremely weighty one. You don't get to just do want you want to do anymore because the deck is always stacked in your favor. You are walking a constant tightrope between justified use of force and murder. If you show up at a counter protest and end up shooting someone, guess which way that's probably going to go. Here's a hint, you are absolutely not allowed to provoke someone into getting shot. If you show up at a protest armed and looking for trouble, you are the one who is going to find yourself in it.

And, no, the 2nd Amendment has no bearing on whether nutbars own the sidewalks. They are allowed to do that because of the 1st Amendment. If they overstep the bounds of that amendement, then, frankly, it's not your job or even in your power to stop them. That is an issue for the actual police to deal with.

And speaking of police, the whole reason for carrying a gun is to be able to respond when the police can't. However, there is always a police presence at protests. You shouldn't even need one there. Frankly, if you show up specifically at a counter-protest armed and end up having to shoot someone, even for the liliest white of reasons, it's still going to look like you came looking for the opprotunity to shoot someone you disagreed with politically.

 

[leftysergeant]

Yeah, this case sounds like a clear cut case of simple assault on both sides. It was a provacative situation that lead to a rather ineffectual scuffle. However, I was addressing you as a gun owner. Simple assault is almost never a justification for deadly force, which is what producing a handgun is.

The teatrash themselves have no problem with displaying firearms in a menacing manner, or displaying signs calling for violent revolution. Giving their own crap back to them is an appropriate response. I just wish that the Jews and unionists had handled the Brown Shirts like that

Being in the way and incidental touching generally does not justify the use of force. As long as you can go around or even push past (without reasonably putting yourself in greater danger), you are obligated to do so. If you don't, well, you will probably face charges when the cops come to sort it out.

Punk boy Tabor had his camera right in Spencer's face. He was NOT going to let Spencer walk away unhindered. He didn't have the option of walking around the shrieking lunatic.

All the more reason to avoid such confrontations.

Evil must be confronted. Would you let the Brown Shirts have the streets of the USA like they did in Germany because there might be a scuffle. I won't. None of us should.

And, no, the 2nd Amendment has no bearing on whether nutbars own the sidewalks. They are allowed to do that because of the 1st Amendment.

The rights of a shrieking lunatic to wave his arms ends at the point of the next man's nose. Tabor crossed that line.

And speaking of police, the whole reason for carrying a gun is to be able to respond when the police can't. However, there is always a police presence at protests.

Why did punk boy have to tell Spencer to wait for the police to arrive? Maybe because they saw what happened and didn't see anything wrong until Tabor got his panties in a bunch?

 

[applecorped]

urm.

 

[leftysergeant]

urm.

There was, aparently, no police coverage and punk boy Tabor was going nuts. Physically disuading him from preventing Spencer from leaving was appropriate.

Tabor had time to walk to Spencer's vehgicle and tell him to wait for the cops. They would already have been there to take action had they been paying any attention to the event. In the absence of police to give assistance, a citizen has some latitude in use of force to make a retreat.

Tabor didn't let him retreat. Loser.

 

[Rogue1stclass]

The teatrash themselves have no problem with displaying firearms in a menacing manner, or displaying signs calling for violent revolution. Giving their own crap back to them is an appropriate response. I just wish that the Jews and unionists had handled the Brown Shirts like that

No. You are not the arbitor of law and democracy in this this country. That job goes to the courts and the actual police.

Punk boy Tabor had his camera right in Spencer's face. He was NOT going to let Spencer walk away unhindered. He didn't have the option of walking around the shrieking lunatic.

Did he try? "I knew he wouldn't let me" isn't a defense in court. You have to actually try.

Evil must be confronted. Would you let the Brown Shirts have the streets of the USA like they did in Germany because there might be a scuffle. I won't. None of us should.

You seriously need to get some perspective on your politics. You are really coming off here as a hot-headed ideologue itching to do some killing for some higher cause that only you see. The Tea Party folks are not the Brown Shirts. They aren't going to come for you in the night. They still have the right to say and do whatever they want within the laws of this country, even if you don't like what that is.

Trust me, if they do start coming for people in the night, and the police don't stop them, I'll be right there with you. But let's wait for that point before we start getting all fired up.

The rights of a shrieking lunatic to wave his arms ends at the point of the next man's nose. Tabor crossed that line.

So you can shoot him? No. What happened, both of them getting arrested for assault, is exactly what should have happened. It was a confrontational situation that escalated to rather ineffectual violence. Both sides are to blame because, regardless of what you say, Spencer could have walked away. He was never physically restrained, and a camera is not a weapon.

Why did punk boy have to tell Spencer to wait for the police to arrive? Maybe because they saw what happened and didn't see anything wrong until Tabor got his panties in a bunch?

Or, you know, they are physical beings that have to actually traverse 3-dimensional space and so cannot arrive instantly at a destination. Or maybe they were checking out some girl and didn't notice. I have no idea. And neither do you. The fact is, though, they were there, and if Spencer had felt so friggin' threatened, he could have gone to them. But he didn't.

I will say this. You need to be very careful about what you say about this stuff. If you are ever involved in the shooting of a teabagger, all of this stuff is gonna come out in trial and speak very strongly for premeditation. Hell, if whatever LEO issued your permit could read some of the stuff you've posted here, you would probably get that permit revoked. In fact, you really need to re-evaluate why you carry a gun in the first place, because it's sounding like the responsibility just isn't for you.

 

[Neally]

You seriously need to get some perspective on your politics.

Ain't gonna happen. Never.

 

[leftysergeant]

The Tea Party folks are not the Brown Shirts.

They may not all realize that they are. At the very best, they are aiding and abetting domestic terrorism. Read The Turner Diaries. They are what Pierce called "useful idiots."

Trust me, if they do start coming for people in the night, and the police don't stop them, I'll be right there with you. But let's wait for that point before we start getting all fired up.

They actually do need to come for some people on the right, like that teatrash candidate for the Senate from Nevada. The guanophrenic little twit has intimated that if she is not elected, armed violence may be the best way to remove Harry Ried. This is utterly unacceptable in a civilized nation.

In fact, you really need to re-evaluate why you carry a gun in the first place, because it's sounding like the responsibility just isn't for you.

I pack because there are armed criminals on the street and white nationalists trying to stir up enough shrieking monkeys to get the RaHoWa going. The teatrash are a godsend to them.

 

[DC]

somehow i have the impression Lefty is in the middle of a revolution that is not happening.

 

[leftysergeant]

somehow i have the impression Lefty is in the middle of a revolution that is not happening.

That it is not happening is not proof that there are not plans underway. Luckily, so far, most people with IQs high enough that they are are not declared incompetent and denied the right to vote, are laughing at the teatrash, and not even giving the white nationalsits that much attention.
But, now and then, some flaming idiot takes the teatrash too seriously and commits some act of terrorism or another.

And you should see the wild-eyed lunatics who are forming militias here. None of them should even be allowed to own firearms. They don't think they are part of the RaHoWa, but that is either ignorance or stupidity on their parts.

 

[NoZed Avenger]

The Tea Party folks are not the Brown Shirts. They aren't going to come for you in the night.

In fact, if I were going to be worried about any particular point of view beginning that kind of process-

They actually do need to come for some people on the right, like that teatrash candidate for the Senate from Nevada.

-it isn't someone from the Tea Party.

 

[leftysergeant]

-it isn't someone from the Tea Party.

When a whackadoodlle candidate suggests that EITHER the vote or the 2nd Ammendment is the solution to the "problem" of her opponent, she is clearly not fit to hold office in a democracy. She's a bad American.

 

[NoZed Avenger]

When a whackadoodlle candidate suggests that EITHER the vote or the 2nd Ammendment is the solution to the "problem" of her opponent, she is clearly not fit to hold office in a democracy. She's a bad American.

. . . and someone needs to "come for her."

 

[leftysergeant]

. . . and someone needs to "come for her."

She suggested that it might be appropriate to murder a public official because you don't like the outcome of an election. She seems intent on raising an insurrection.

 

[bynmdsue]

Seriously,can we get a link to this formenting of armed insurrection?

 

[Dancing David]

They may not all realize that they are. At the very best, they are aiding and abetting domestic terrorism. Read The Turner Diaries. They are what Pierce called "useful idiots."

Wow talk about irrelevant fact attrititon Lefty, a book written in 1978 has much more bearing than Glenn Becks latest novel, get with the times!

The 'useful idiot' claim cuts both ways.

 

[leftysergeant]

Wow talk about irrelevant fact attrititon Lefty, a book written in 1978 has much more bearing than Glenn Becks latest novel, get with the times!

The 'useful idiot' claim cuts both ways.

It is still relevant, because Glenn Beck fans are trying to act it out.

 

[Rogue1stclass]

They may not all realize that they are. At the very best, they are aiding and abetting domestic terrorism. Read The Turner Diaries. They are what Pierce called "useful idiots."



They actually do need to come for some people on the right, like that teatrash candidate for the Senate from Nevada. The guanophrenic little twit has intimated that if she is not elected, armed violence may be the best way to remove Harry Ried. This is utterly unacceptable in a civilized nation.



I pack because there are armed criminals on the street and white nationalists trying to stir up enough shrieking monkeys to get the RaHoWa going. The teatrash are a godsend to them.

White nationalists are a ridiculously tiny, ineffectual "movement" and The Turner Diaries are a stupid fantasy...

 

[applecorped]

How about The Monkey Wrench Gang?

 

[leftysergeant]

White nationalists are a ridiculously tiny, ineffectual "movement" and The Turner Diaries are a stupid fantasy...

Wake up. Their useful idiots are training up for the fight now. And we have idiots like that twit Angle out in Nevada suggesting that it might be neccessary to take Harry Reid out by armed force. I think thiscrosses the "crying FIRE in a theater" line. She is unfit for public office, and a threat to the constitution.