Another staged attack on a teabagger whacko?

[leftysergeant]

That is a matter for the court.

Pushing is still assault.

And before Spencer socked him, nobody was filmed making contact with anybody except for Tabor's making contact with Spencer. Tabor was right in Spencer's face. That is menacing behavior. Nothing Spencer was filmed doing was menacing. Lecturing a bunch of political whackadoodles is NOT menacing under any law I know of, if it is not in a venue owned or rented by the whackadoodles.

 

[Pardalis]

Shovinmg a camera in Spencer's face and blocking his egress from the scene is unacceptable.

He could have asked him politely to stand aside, he could have yelled at him to get out of his way, he even could have pushed him aside. He decided to physically harm him.

This is socially unacceptable. For you to not recognize this is rather worrying.

As for shoving loser boy Tabor's wife, how did the idiot fail to resume filming when the big menacing angry black man approached her? and how did a shrieking lunatic crowd of rednecks not see it happening and gang-stomp Spencer as southern lunatics are known to do? Doesn't add up.

Juvenile aggressive language, over-compensation, bloated self-worth, lack of empathy, no sense of responsibility ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_P...Hare.27s_Checklist_and_other_mental_disorders


Yep, fits the bill.

 

[Meadmaker]

What is surprising is there is only this one video clip. The teabaggers are there for publicity, Spencer is there for publicity... and the action is only captured by one guy with a cell-phone camera? That does smell of shenanigans.

What a world we live in, where the existence of only one video recording of a minor altercation is seen as unusual.

This weekend I was camping with some Cub Scouts, and during a period of temporary unsupervised play, things got out of hand between two packs. It was hard to figure out exactly what happened, but it was fairly clear that at one point someone drew out a Cub Scout whittling knife and made some sort of gesture that involved an open pocket knife. This had been preceded by some other acts which involved lack of common sense, even at the level expected of nine year olds.

Needless to say this caused some issues and when trying to sort it all out, most of the boys' explanations began with some variation of "He started it!"

The people in this incident seemed to have about the same level of maturity as the Cub Scouts.

ETA: And of course, the response by the adult leaders was, "I really don't care who started it. None of you showed any common sense. Now give me your knives." It's a pity the judge doesn't have quite as much latitude to deal with this similar incident.

 

[Meadmaker]

It is perfectly acceptable under American law to knock a fool's teeth out if he is standing between you and a point of egress while acting in a menacing fashion.

I wouldn't have punched him, though. I would have simply whipped out a .38 Special and offered to blow his danglies off if he did not get out of the path between me and my vehicle. Quite legal, actually.

Good luck winning that one in court.

The only time violence is acceptable is to protect your person or property. If a person is standing between me and my car, I am not allowed to initiate violence or even threaten violence. If I have a reasonable suspicion that I will be attacked, then I can act to defend myself.

If they are simply blocking access to my vehicle, my responsibility is to report the offending behavior to police, and let them take care of it. Anything beyond that is likely to find you in a jail cell until you have an opportunity to explain it to the judge.

 

[leftysergeant]

Maybe Tabor overreacted when he said "don't touch my wife", but the punch was clearly uncalled for.

If Spencer did not touch Tabor's wife (and I have every reason to suspect that she might have shoved him) Tabor crossed the line shoving a camera in Spencer's face in a threatening manner.

Tabor is a known nut case. He bought what he got.

 

[Pardalis]

Tabor is a known nut case. He bought what he got.

If I were to say you are a nutcase, would I be allowed to hit you in the face?

 

[leftysergeant]

If I were to say you are a nutcase, would I be allowed to hit you in the face?

You don't have evidence of that. There is evidence that Tabor is a whackadoodle. That's why he keeps getting trounced in the elections. He's even whacky by national Republicant standards. Most of the jerks from that college he went to are kind of off the spectrum, and deeply involved in government corruption.

The only person seen doing anything intimidating in ANY of the video, prior to the punch, was Tabor. He's a lunatic.

 

[Pardalis]

The only person seen doing anything intimidating in ANY of the video, prior to the punch, was Tabor. He's a lunatic.

And yet the punch is clearly the only sociopathic criminal act we see in the entire video, and Tabor is not the one doing it.

 

[madurobob]

What a world we live in, where the existence of only one video recording of a minor altercation is seen as unusual.

Well, to be fair, the leader of this protest does count a media company among his holdings, and the protest was announced to the press several days in advance; I saw the press release on one of the local news websites. I guess Tabor is so boring that none of the local media outlets bothered to send anyone to cover the event.

ETA: And of course, the response by the adult leaders was, "I really don't care who started it. None of you showed any common sense. Now give me your knives." It's a pity the judge doesn't have quite as much latitude to deal with this similar incident.

That's grounds to have their Whittling Chips revoked, too.

 

[dudalb]

Pretty minor scuffle. I have seen worse at playgrounds.
But seriously, Lefty does at times seem to be a Bizarro version of a Teabagger.

 

[DDWW]

You sound remarkably like a teabagger yourself.... (closet teabagger?)

That was what I was thinking; sounded very John Wayne, Ronald Regan cowboy, NRA, pick-up driving, conservative, tea-party,(ouch)........

I would have thought he would have given the jerk a flower, then a hug and asked if "we just couldn't all get along".

Maybe there is some hope for Lefty.

DD (prefer a .40 Sig 239)WW

 

[WildCat]

Here's another one you can get all frothed at the mouth over lefty, free of charge!

 

[Dancing David]

If Spencer did not touch Tabor's wife (and I have every reason to suspect that she might have shoved him) Tabor crossed the line shoving a camera in Spencer's face in a threatening manner.

Tabor is a known nut case. He bought what he got.

I won't say shoved, gentally contacted at best.

 

[Dancing David]

And yet the punch is clearly the only sociopathic criminal act we see in the entire video, and Tabor is not the one doing it.

Um violence and sociopathy are both on continuums.

 

[ravdin]

Here's another one you can get all frothed at the mouth over lefty, free of charge!

But that poor congressman was asked an impertinent question by a racist teabagging whackadoodle! I would have grabbed him by the neck too.

 

[Howie Felterbush]

It is perfectly acceptable under American law to knock a fool's teeth out if he is standing between you and a point of egress while acting in a menacing fashion.

I wouldn't have punched him, though. I would have simply whipped out a .38 Special and offered to blow his danglies off if he did not get out of the path between me and my vehicle. Quite legal, actually.

 

[Meadmaker]

That's grounds to have their Whittling Chips revoked, too.

You're a cruel man...but fair.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

This reminds me of something I think W.E.B. Dubois said about race relations. (I don't know if it was him, and I don't have the exact quote.) If the only contact between black and white are among the worst elements of society, there will be animosity.

I think this now applies to U.S. politics between the broad categories of "right" and "left" (i.e. American "left", which by the standards of most places outside the U.S. would be "center"). It seems we're more interested in seeing interaction between the most extreme and least coherent from both sides than we are in having honest dialogue between reasonable minds that disagree.

 

[NoZed Avenger]

I wouldn't have punched him, though. I would have simply whipped out a .38 Special and offered to blow his danglies off if he did not get out of the path between me and my vehicle. Quite legal, actually.

Teabaggers are a bit unhinged, you know.

That is SURE a black kettle, all right.

Very, very black.

I have never carried a gun in a menacing manner to a political rally. nor displayed a sign at a political rally suggesting that it was time to spill blood. Get some real arguments.

Heavan forfend someone mistake a legitimate reaction -pulling a gun on someone in the way and threatening to shoot them in the groin - with unhinged activities like standing in doorways.

I stand thoroughly abashed, sir. Abashed, I say.

 

[SonOfLaertes]

Good luck winning that one in court.

The only time violence is acceptable is to protect your person or property. If a person is standing between me and my car, I am not allowed to initiate violence or even threaten violence. If I have a reasonable suspicion that I will be attacked, then I can act to defend myself.

If they are simply blocking access to my vehicle, my responsibility is to report the offending behavior to police, and let them take care of it. Anything beyond that is likely to find you in a jail cell until you have an opportunity to explain it to the judge.

I would have liked to see another view of the confrontation, from a wider angle. It appears to me that both sides were itching for a fight. The fact that the video was edited, if true, seems very peculiar to me.

If Spencer could show that he felt threatened and was trying to reach his car to make a getaway, he certainly would be justified in initiating violence. He was well outnumbered after all. On the other hand throwing a punch was a bone-headed move.

This really seems like much ado about nothing. A bunch of children on the playground for sure. Tell everyone to go home and then to bed without
dinner.