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dudalb said:
A lot of Anti Abortion activists surprised that Trump is trying to have it both ways on the Abortion issue with his "leave it to the states" statment.
It is to make one laugh that they did not get until now that trump has no real ideology except Donald Trump.
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He has no ideology but his plans do include punishing all his enemies and if he can hurt liberals in the process, even better. He NEEDS his Truth social because he gets kick out of liberals freaking out about his posts.

So yes, being a bully is a type of ideology.
 
Electoral count in Jan '25 may be even more confusing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elect...esidential_Transition_Improvement_Act_of_2022
Multiple candidates can get transition funds to set up
their white house while unresolved issues go through courts.

The attempt was to limit the house rejecting electors and results.

Back in 2021 there was an attempt by some 100 house members to reject electors already certified. Not quite sure how that came about. The senate then stopped the rebellion by Hawley and Cruz in the senate part.

Why are the house and senate even doing this? What is the process?
 
Leafed thru a book by Lawrence Lessing at the book store. Yes, the law still allows a governor to certify the wrong electors. It would not be resolved by the ceremonial count. Senate would have to reject that state. Or they could take it as is, provided your candidate still wins.

This final process in Congress is likely the only way Trump wins at this point.
 
Yesterday, Trump did another one of his calls for a violent uprising (with the word "peaceful" added to pretend it isn't what it is, because it would be such a shame if anything happened to those nice courthouses we got here).

He doesn't seem to have caught on yet that it hasn't worked any of the last few dozen times he's tried it.
 
Well, even MAGA does not feel that strongly now about Trump. They felt strongly about the election they voted in. It was stolen! I was wronged against!
 
Stacyhs said:
We're in agreement that your post demonstrates how fake news works: take what someone actually says and then change it to say what the person didn't say.
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The direct point of that post was pretty obviously to mock fake news, I thought. It did what it sought to do reasonably well.

With that said, it was poorly applied when it comes to the larger topic in play - Brainster tried to chide me for not qualifying my statement with "some," which under better circumstances would have been fair. I never said "all," though, and Trump spent most of that speech dealing with generalized immigration fearmongering as he misrepresented and outright lied about immigration matters more generally. Trump was the one who made what portion of immigrants he was calling animals unclear. At best, it could be limited to illegal immigrants, but the immediate context pretty firmly refutes any interpretation that he was just talking about, for example, cases like that cited by Brainster when he said - "The Venezuelan immigrant who attacked Laken Riley on her morning run, dragged her into a secluded area and killed her?" Trying to pass it off as if Trump was just speaking of that, as Brainster did, is far more qualified to be fake news than what I said. Hence, the attempted mockery was poorly applied, even before getting to Trump's words and actions in larger context.

For what it's worth, had Trump actually limited his words so that only the people who commit such serious crimes were being called animals, I wouldn't have pointed it out as an example of how increasingly like Hitler Trump has been becoming.
 
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the implication of trump's speech is obvious. you really only make a fool of yourself by pretending not to notice. there's no reason to pretend along
 
Aridas said:
The direct point of that post was pretty obviously to mock fake news, I thought. It did what it sought to do reasonably well.

With that said, it was poorly applied when it comes to the larger topic in play - Brainster tried to chide me for not qualifying my statement with "some," which under better circumstances would have been fair. I never said "all," though, and Trump spent most of that speech dealing with generalized immigration fearmongering as he misrepresented and outright lied about immigration matters more generally. Trump was the one who made what portion of immigrants he was calling animals unclear. At best, it could be limited to illegal immigrants, but the immediate context pretty firmly refutes any interpretation that he was just talking about, for example, cases like that cited by Brainster when he said - "The Venezuelan immigrant who attacked Laken Riley on her morning run, dragged her into a secluded area and killed her?" Trying to pass it off as if Trump was just speaking of that, as Brainster did, is far more qualified to be fake news than what I said. Hence, the attempted mockery was poorly applied, even before getting to Trump's words and actions in larger context.

For what it's worth, had Trump actually limited his words so that only the people who commit such serious crimes were being called animals, I wouldn't have pointed it out as an example of how increasingly like Hitler Trump has been becoming.
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Yeah, well, would Hitler have bought Chick-fil-A milkshakes for everybody? I think not!
 
Stacyhs said:
Well, Democrats are supporting abortions up to and past the 9th month and then executing the babies!

"They support abortion up to and even beyond the ninth month," Trump said in a video posted on Truth Social. "The concept of having an abortion in the later months, and even execution after birth. That's exactly what it is — the baby is born, and the baby is executed after birth."
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Yes, they are.

H.R.26 - Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th...ns?overview=closed&q={"roll-call-vote":"all"}

The bill protects surviving infants from failed abortion attempts. Democrats voted against it. You can view the voting roll at the same link provided above if you'd like to know who is against protecting an infant that survives an abortion attempt from being murdered.

It is shocking to think Democrats would consider executing an infant after birth, but that's exactly how they voted. Perhaps you don't know as much as you think you do about the Democrat party.
 
It's fascinating to watch person/group X argue to person/group Y's face(s) that Y really thinks something Y doesn't think. This is the political equivalent of when Creationists tell evolutionists that evolutionists really believe life came from a rock and transitional forms are should be like chimeras and we know their god is real but just call ourselves atheists because we hate him and want to keep sinning, all just because the Creationists came up with it and said so. Even just within politics, it's the rightward equivalent of when lefties tell people who don't hate people of any race or gender or sexuality that we really do hate people of whatever race or gender or sexuality, all just because the lefties came up with it and said so.

What can X possibly think is the point? Maybe there are some people out there whom X's lies about Y could fool, but they can't fool Y. A lie about the person/group you're lying to is not merely the easiest kind of lie in the world to catch, but the kind that's most thoroughly impossible to not catch.
 
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ChrisBFRPKY said:
Yes, they are.

H.R.26 - Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th...ns?overview=closed&q={"roll-call-vote":"all"}

The bill protects surviving infants from failed abortion attempts. Democrats voted against it. You can view the voting roll at the same link provided above if you'd like to know who is against protecting an infant that survives an abortion attempt from being murdered.

It is shocking to think Democrats would consider executing an infant after birth, but that's exactly how they voted. Perhaps you don't know as much as you think you do about the Democrat party.
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I'll take Low Hanging Fruit for $500.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Yes, they are.

H.R.26 - Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th...ns?overview=closed&q={"roll-call-vote":"all"}

The bill protects surviving infants from failed abortion attempts. Democrats voted against it. You can view the voting roll at the same link provided above if you'd like to know who is against protecting an infant that survives an abortion attempt from being murdered.

It is shocking to think Democrats would consider executing an infant after birth, but that's exactly how they voted. Perhaps you don't know as much as you think you do about the Democrat party.
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Just because -

FACT CHECK: So-Called “Born Alive” is Another Lie To Stigmatize Abortion

“This bill is deliberately misleading and offensive to pregnant people and the doctors and nurses who provide their care. It is yet another attempt by anti-abortion politicians to spread misinformation as a means to their warped political end: to ban safe and legal abortion.

“Let’s be clear: Doctors are already required to provide appropriate medical care by law. This is not how medical care works. It’s wrong, irresponsible, and dangerous to suggest otherwise.”
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It's shocking to think that people would fall for crap like this, but for pretty much any lie, some will fall for it, especially when they're motivated to do so.
 
AZ candidate for the US Senate Ruben Gallego says "It's too late for the state GOP to fix the abortion mess." It's an okay political answer--he clearly wants the abortion rights initiative to be on the ballot in November--but a more deft response would have been that the AZ GOP should fix the mess now but that the real fix will come with the ballot initiative.

He's got my vote easily; I despise Lake. BTW seeing his ads everywhere, mostly like him (he's smart to lead with his military service in Iraq) although he gets a bit vague about his concern with housing prices. No homeowner really wants housing prices to go down do they?
 
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AZ candidate for the US Senate Ruben Gallego says "It's too late for the state GOP to fix the abortion mess." It's an okay political answer--he clearly wants the abortion rights initiative to be on the ballot in November--but a more deft response would have been that the AZ GOP should fix the mess now but that the real fix will come with the ballot initiative.

He's got my vote easily; I despise Lake. BTW seeing his ads everywhere, mostly like him (he's smart to lead with his military service in Iraq) although he gets a bit vague about his concern with housing prices. No homeowner really wants housing prices to go down do they?
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For decades, the GOP used the abortion issue as a single edge sword. It helped them with certain voters without causing them harm with the general population. Because no one saw Roe v Wade going anywhere. As someone pro-choice I want the problem dealt with as soon as possible. But I still want the amendment guaranteeing the right. Of all the issues I'd like to see sunset, birth control would be it.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Yes, they are.

H.R.26 - Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th...ns?overview=closed&q={"roll-call-vote":"all"}

The bill protects surviving infants from failed abortion attempts. Democrats voted against it. You can view the voting roll at the same link provided above if you'd like to know who is against protecting an infant that survives an abortion attempt from being murdered.

It is shocking to think Democrats would consider executing an infant after birth, but that's exactly how they voted. Perhaps you don't know as much as you think you do about the Democrat party.
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Are you OK? I mean, seriously, ARE you?? If you think this is a well-thought-out cogent argument based on facts and real science, let alone what was actually said by the parties involved, then I would worry that you could seriously hurt yourself with a dessert spoon if you weren't careful.

How about you go back and read what was actually written, then have a long, hard look at yourself.
 
as always, Republicans love topics they can be upset about (and thus campaign and fundraise on), with no intention to actually do anything about it.
and then some radicals didn't get the memo and actually did something, screwing up the entire game.
 
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